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8:56 pm
August 18, 2010
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lilmule
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Yes eastern region,you will find those that go by state have only a small portion of the next state in it,like w.va ky tn has but a few miles of tn,get teh tn one it shows a few miles of ky,and to beat all they the map companies start whats called a river section even though its still ky lake to pickwick dam,so to get all of ky lake by state one buys three chips.
Thats a good price as well,they are 125 on ebay.
Ps most of ky lake is in tn,2300 sq miles and about 200 sq miles is up north,where you wont need to fish most likly.Lic is recipical bewteen 68 and 79 bridges,go north of 68 need a ky lic,go south of 79 and need a tn one.
Kentuckians in general believe the lake ends at blood river,which is an enbayment and tn lic does not cover,agreement is main lake only.
On barkley its 2miles across either direction well within line of sight,another reason for the cutoff at the bridge over there for AOY as diffent lic needed above and different regs on fish,smallmouth in ky being 15 in,and in tn on Barkley its 18,Kentuckly lake is the only exempt lake in tn from 18 in min,kinda odd since two are connected but the cumberland river is what most likly kept it too from being omitted,like where does the river start and the lake end.
Get a non boater link or you might draw some joker from murry that fishes up there,out of a field of say each flight about a dozen will,out of those 9 will be sorry they did,along with 10 of the non boaters.
Those same guys are either university team or flw,the latter often believeing you are extra weight with no rights whatso ever.Then on the front casting with an expensive outfit they keep the boat barely within their cast distance to target, you being 20 ft farther back cant get to it or the same distance.
If that happens clue them in via a dq,if they do not heed.Yes in the nationals,nonboaters do get 1/2 the time if desired,should at least be asked,but if on fish they would be stupid to want to go elsewhere.Tell them upfront its a long trip but your going there anyway,just to give what they feel is right on gas,dont tell them where your actually going,then dont even name the area your in like so and so resort or bay.Thre is a sign there if they can read
But like I dunno not from here got lucky an found this,but please respect the water I found.
That chip should be what you want.
But without that non boater link its a flip situation if you draw another boater,and then if he hasnt run his at all in three days he can say its my day,each and everyone is guaranteed one days useage,your fishing three,most likly draw another boat at least one of those three.
All will day they are on fish ask how many pds weiged in then compare yours if they stil want to go where they want its their right if gurantted that one boater ride and havnt had it or flip is theirs on a coin toss, but stupid if your catching more.
Non boaters get to fish all three this year,and always prior till they pulled that crap last year about last day boaters only.It wouldnt be aba unless they changed the rules yearly.
Like the new penalty for dead fish.One guy to watch , is local from fort cambell who won our regional last year on Barkley,fishing very near where we were at.Using that roobeer bandit 100.
Its off limits or will be but he would run from here to barkley in tn,Barkley isnt on the menu for the nationals,wont be permitted or locking thru down below.
Not really needed either but if same guy is an aoy contestant,hes tops on Barkley and knows the same ledge hump I know,and a lot more.Hopefully he didnt cut but hard to tell since 32 hasnt released final stats.They are rather slow taking about a month after to list.
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8:56 pm
August 18, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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That's always good to know Doug!
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8:07 pm
August 18, 2010
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dougw
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Yup…. Eastern Region covers everything I need coverin'. Cabela's has it on sale for 125.00 but I buy a lot of stuff from iboats.com. Checked their site – 105.95. Last year they sent me a "always get 5% off" card so I can take an additional 5% and will end up getting the card for 100.00 bucks. I think shipping is free. If you ever need boat/engine parts be sure to check out iboats.com. Excellent service and they do have a low price guarantee but I've never seen anyone beat their prices to begin with. And their low price guarantee is not limited if you find a lower price "ANYWHERE"… they'll either beat it or match it. But even if they were a tad higher I'd still use them due to their excellent service and speedy shipping!
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7:22 pm
August 18, 2010
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lilmule
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Preloaded is all usa , you have to buy a regional,but good for all that region,not half of ky lake,all of barkley
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7:20 pm
August 18, 2010
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lilmule
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There is the possiblity of there being but half ky lake being on it,yes company called hydrophonics maped the lake via a boat and sounding devices,but your gps doesnt use thiers.
Best bet is gold if compatable and its not two lakes,its all of them in usa,try to avoid state or single lake maps for that same reason you menttioned unless you just wnat to buy several in order to get one that works possibly needed two for one body of water.Thats steves map it stops just past paris landing read fine print-part of tn.
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7:15 pm
August 18, 2010
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dougw
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A quick check at the Navonics site revealed that both Barkely and Kentucky lakes are on the same chip. Funny thing is Kentucky Lake is listed in the Tennessee lakes section and not Kentucky! Both lakes are in HD, which I pretty much expected them to be.
Some time back there was a legal issue involving Cartograpy on/of Kentucky lake. I heard, at one time, ya' couldn't get Navonics cards with Kentucky lake in HD. Now it appears you can.
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7:09 pm
August 18, 2010
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lilmule
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Ps if theres a bait working or even rumored to be working ,walmart 20 miles away will be sold out of it and anything that looks like it along with every store in a 60 mile range.Dollar general will have bare shelves,from the run on pop muchies and all that sell sporting goods will resemble the dollar general store,they get another truck load on like wed ,lasts till fri then a truck monday,during such events they just cant keep anything stocked.
So if you didnt bring it,most likly wont find it here other than worms,and not the brand or pack you wanted and maybe some hooks,it is here just after its all over,but not during,unless your one lucky dog,that just drove 27 mles and got the last one.Horny toads are like 5 bucks a pack local.
Then what ever color is left get the pic.
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6:56 pm
August 18, 2010
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lilmule
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Nope one out 218,two up near the dam an htr away and doubt if they have any in stock,largely because what works in one unit wont another,and doubt if that global map chip would work in his 522,but one never knows.Bass however does do an overnighter if you get stuck.
And i have one with internal ant you could borrow,thats preloaded with north america in general.
One of the chips problems is as steve stated tenn is in two chips on some,having to change chips as one drives out of map on ky lake.So if getting a chip just buy gold or platnum or silver or plain old hotmaps its all of it not by state.Costs more that way and steves older unit isnt compatable with the newer versions of maps that are made in a complete load like the preloaded ones you get from the factory.About 160 on up depending upon what you desire.
A lot of that compatability is due to no approved method or format by different companies therefore even gold may have a lowrance version and or a hummingbird version or a garmin version.Then its for only certain models not all made,global map any number, wont take gold or platnum or maybe even silver,depending upon model,platum is for high end gps units costing about 1 grand in the first place,and never ever hit default button it wipes out everything to a base unit,preloaded becomes unloaded and a card empty sometimes.
If all else fails there is a borrowed one to have that works ,just dont ask the price.
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6:18 pm
August 18, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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Believe it or not, we don't reall have a whole heck of a lot of sporting store choices in the neighborhood. It's a lot like Rhinelander, WI is. Tons o great water and no place to buy stuff.
I will do some checking around for you though.
I do have a Navionics card (works in Lowrance units) that you can use, but it kinda ticks me off. From the dam in Kentucky, down to just south of the Highway 79 bridge, it shows GREAT detail. Then, from just south of the bridge, in the Big Sandy arm of the lake, it also shows great detail.
But the rest of the lake from east of Big Sandy down, you need a different chip!  
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4:50 pm
August 18, 2010
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dougw
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Yup… I've got a 522c(internal antenna) as well. I'll get a card for that'un before I head that way or may pick one up once I get there. What kinna sporting goods(fishing stores) do y'all have in the vicinity??? Anyplace a fella could Navonics card off the shelf???
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6:22 pm
August 16, 2010
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lilmule
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Naw thts two outside neighbor cats hes sort of adoppted,inside cats are more of lickers,unless in guard mode.
As for markers they remove a lot of them at winter pool,its confusing as you see a few but tehy are at cove mouth entrances and are crossovers inbeween is no mans land.
Theres a saying they are kinda sprikled around,thus depth contour is almost a necessity,without it your holed.Be at least one that gets holed while here,even though hes thinking safty,ive come up on points and shut down 30 yards before i normally would thinking safty and lo and behold right in front of me ten ft was a stump big enuff to park the rig on.At summer pool go ovr it and past it 50 yards or so,lake is 5 ft lower,meaning those 4 ft flats are islands and those 7 ft ones are 2 ft deep.
As they spill water over these it stirs it all up,if it raies just by closing the gates it clears
And naturally some of the best jumps happen in 1 ft of water where its breaking at with the wind pushing boat towards it,let off to take a fish off and almost on it,ive had to fire up the big mota jacked up to get out.
This steve wrote a whole report on as we had a big jump going n,reeld professionally overspinned and baits messed up ,1 1/2 ft of water where we were,at that breaker its bare inbetween yet busting right tthere,for about a five min period.
In sight of paris landing bay you just dont go to it in a straight line,not and float amyway.
 
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5:56 pm
August 16, 2010
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dougw
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OutdoorFrontiers said:
Well, we've got a queen size inflateable bed and sheets for you in the spare bedroom. There's a big yard with plenty of parking and plenty of outlets to plug in the boat each night too.
You might end up with one of the wife's cats sleeping with you at night if you're not careful, but they're relatively decent critters and have been front-declawed.
I'll do my best to put you on fish, and help you with the lake, but it can be scarey running anywhere outside the marked channels. Ledges and house foundations that you can run over now might be "just" under the surface in October, depending on the lake level.
But I can pretty much guarantee that you'll have a good time. 
Ahhh hummm…. are these the same blood lickin', skull suckin'… li'l dah'lins you were talking about earlier???
I'm used to runnin' between the markers… pretty much a way of life on many Texas lakes. The locals run where they want to on Sam Rayburn n' Amistad, to name just a few, But it you ain't sure…. don't do it. Case in point…. Fished a tournament on Lake Conroe…. Drew the non-boater and he's as familiar with Conroe as I am. I go blastin' up in this big cove…. Run 2/3's of the way back, shut it down n' start fishing. As we are fishing I notice other boats coming in to this same cove but…. they're shutting down pretty much at the mouth of it and idling all the way in. "Wonder why?" I say out loud…. On the way out of the cove I found out! How I got in that cove on the pad without hitting anything was a miracle. I idled out and bounced off'a more stuff than I though possible.
O'tay on the air matress. I got one ov'em as well… It's amazing how comfortable they are… unless they're "leakers". I also have a single inflateable bed… took it last time we bunked 3 to a room…. Sum'ditch put me on the ground in just about 3 hrs. Ended up sleeping in the truck. And that'un was brand new nev'a used. Bought it at Pickwick last year and ended up sleeping on the sofa so I never used it.
Plan on havin' a good time! Y'all better plan on it too!
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1:12 pm
August 16, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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Well, we've got a queen size inflateable bed and sheets for you in the spare bedroom. There's a big yard with plenty of parking and plenty of outlets to plug in the boat each night too.
You might end up with one of the wife's cats sleeping with you at night if you're not careful, but they're relatively decent critters and have been front-declawed.
I'll do my best to put you on fish, and help you with the lake, but it can be scarey running anywhere outside the marked channels. Ledges and house foundations that you can run over now might be "just" under the surface in October, depending on the lake level.
But I can pretty much guarantee that you'll have a good time. 
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7:12 am
August 16, 2010
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lilmule
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Its close in nature the two lakes conditions,yet whatever pickwick has its worse here in partiular at the juctcion of the tn,and big sandy rivers here at paris landing.Wear a water prrof jacket in teh morning dew is heavy and its chilly,afterrnoon can check normally.
For looking at a map navionics cd rom for about 18 dollars off ebay works great on a computer,for gps yes depth contour is almost a must,if not for finding ledges to keeep off of them,if you cant find one a chip can borrow my gps unit its antenna is bulit in just add power and secure somewhere.
Yes there will be some running aground,some will even be in secondary channels beteeen markers,map is at 359 always including gps at 356 that back channel may have as lil as 2 ft of water in places ,and 14 ft depth in just enough to lure you in.
That navionics cd shows many of the ledges quite well ,house foundations,etc.
That almost daily drop in water level you cant imagine until youve seen it at somewhere like 179,where one fished first of the week on the right side one no longer can as a mud flat,only center and left,with v wakes coming at the bait sometimes 15 ft prior,boats in 1 1/2 ft and your fishing even less at times.
Water temp drop also to a point as long as its mid 70s to mid 60s is a chasing game.Sometimes the water turning white what in is known as jumps here.
And thank the lord,few people open up their home to someone,or even get tidbits of info about where they are going,so count yourself lucky,even if you dont do well.
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5:55 am
August 16, 2010
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dougw
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It looks like it's gonna fish a lot like Pickwick did last year. I've heard that KYL is dangerous to run – if you don't know where you're going. I have not yet got a map nor a Navonics card but will – soon.
As of now my plans put me at Steves' house the afternoon/evening of the 29th. There is a AOY dinner on the 30th. The the "OFFICAL" practice day is on the 1st.
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9:16 pm
August 15, 2010
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lilmule
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Two years of compiled stats mostly for you Doug,that time of year can fluctuate and go back up just as easy as steadily going down,note the drawdown,lake level.Exception of lake rising because of rain otherwise lower statement on turbidity is correct.
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Temperature
°F Dissolved Oxygen
mg/L pH
SU Oxidation-Reduction Potential
mV Turbidity
NTU Chlorophyll a
µg/L Lake Elevation
fsl
10/01/09 73.33 7.32 7.47 53 15.55 11.0 357.08
10/02/09 73.02 7.21 7.42 65 12.17 14.4 356.75
10/03/09 72.27 7.38 7.41 79 12.37 14.0 356.91
10/04/09 71.37 7.44 7.41 86 12.09 14.1 357.10
10/05/09 70.75 7.48 7.36 91 13.11 11.7 356.96
10/06/09 70.00 7.43 7.24 106 12.46 12.9
10/07/09 69.57 7.64 7.23 118 10.05 5.6
10/08/09 69.01 7.70 7.18 133 7.75 2.4
Date
Temperature
°F Dissolved Oxygen
mg/L pH
SU Oxidation-Reduction Potential
mV Turbidity
NTU Chlorophyll a
µg/L Lake Elevation
fsl
10/01/08 74.37 6.87 7.54 181 233.02 5.1 355.25
10/02/08 73.78 6.43 7.47 185 303.84 3.7 355.31
10/03/08 73.92 6.45 7.45 180 261.41 6.4 355.38
10/04/08 73.29 6.72 7.44 175 432.41 6.5 355.50
10/05/08 73.04 7.26 7.56 172 210.26 5.7 355.52
10/06/08 72.91 7.48 7.54 174 137.81 6.0 355.51
10/07/08 72.03 7.39 7.49 192 313.28 31.5 355.50
10/08/08 71.74 6.85 7.36 201 635.71 29.1 355.5
Notice as the lake is drawn down turbidity goes up and if it actually raises goes down,clearer water,there will be a lot of islands appearing,others lurking just beneath the surface,made of mostly rock with 1 in of mud over them.
Fish are schooled and in a chasing mood,due to those temps.Lake is about 4 deg wamer this year but a ways off.
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