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8:00 am
February 24, 2010


lilmule

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The answer to your 64 dollar question -do they move-yes

Which creates another ? where- answer not far.first available cover or deep water( deep meaning deeper),can be alil as a shallow ditch line.

Creating another ? how does one catch them?Other than thumping one on the nose with a worm havnt a clue as seldom get more than one or two  under those conditions that actually measures.

That scenario here comes with a north wind that just plain shuts them down even on a 2o ft deep ledge.And here with a rise or fall of the water it often changes which way they go as well,sometimes in and hug,sometimes out and hug,bottom line they are hugging something.

Rather off feed a bit as well,desert works better than a meal.I switch from a 12 or 14 in worm to a 4 in ,like going from a dd22 to a cr-1.5 (both work here),but not for the same reasons.

The lil 1.5 mimics the lil butterbean shad nicely,and at times they the fish can be size oriented,ignoring baits larger than what they are eating.

You could always take up golf and take your frustration on the ball.

7:17 am
February 24, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Well, I was thinking more of vertical fishing with the Recoil Rig, but I suppose you could give her a twirl and let fly!

I'm thinking though that you won't have to fish a drop shot on a 12 foot leader….

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media

6:34 am
February 24, 2010


dougw

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Welll… uhhh… I ain't c'riggin' a buzz bait! And if you'll admit that I can't even begin to imagine what you won't admit! :>)


Late breaking news… While I was on Conroe getting skunked there was a tournament there as well – a tad over 24#s won. Word is crankbaits in 4-6 foot of water but… the water had to be in the 58 degree range. I know exactly where that water is and may give it a shot during the tournament. The water hit those temps in the backs of creeks where the depth was also 4-6'. But those temps were only available later in the day. The question is… when the temps drop over night how far do the bass move or do they move at all? Do they just hunker down and stop biting and wait for the temps to warm up? Do they move out of the back of the creek to the closest deep water then move back in as the temps rise?


As for getting skunked. I will say I didn't spend much time doing anything anywhere and was mostly looking – and not finding. I did work two areas pretty hard with crankbait and a jig without success. The other places I went I'd try a several crankbaits, 3/4oz. jig, c'rig for only 10 mins or so then pack up and look for another spot.


I still believe a lot of fish have to be deep and suspended. One thing about last Sunday was I did not mark a lot of fish in the 10-20' range on my sonar. Usually I can see them even if I can't get'em to bite. I'm thinkin' I wasn't looking deep enough but willl find out for sure come tournament day on Saturday.


As for casting a 12' drop-shot. You got it! Whirl that thing around like I'm trying to lasso a calf n' let it fly! Or… I could have a non-boater and let him pull back on the weight n' load the rod then let it go flying just like a bow n' arrow! Or… I suppose I could just chunk the weight over the side n' 'vertical fish… Desperate folks do desperate things!

10:13 pm
February 23, 2010


lilmule

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 Hmmm get you one of those two filled caps that says they went that way,you will look the part.

Just dont put lilmule on the cap,wouldnt want anyone to know which way I was a going.

As for the spoon they work sometimes,but it aint legal to knockem on the head and net.

What kinda cast is used for a 12 ft leader a whirlybird,how does one explain how you bagged a bald eagle?

Just some humor.

Ive been known to toss stuff others wouldnt dream of,like a buzzbait as a spinnerbait ,even criging it.Some however I wont admit to.

1:39 pm
February 23, 2010


dougw

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Well… fact 'o tha' matter is I don't own a recoil rig so it's gonna have to be a drop-shot… Boy, I sho' do hope I don't draw a partner #1 he'll think I've lost my mind for sure when I have a 12' tag end of a drop-shot rig on a 7'6″ rod. #2 He'll want to give up before we even get goin' good with it spooning or drop-shotting. I believe there's got to be something basically wrong with your mind to go spooning and… well…. it appears I just may have a few lose wires 'cause I'm going to giv'er a try!

8:16 am
February 23, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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dougw said:


Spooning ain't my cup'o'tea either – by any means. But a mans gotta do what'a mans gotta do. I've thought about the drop shot or recoil rig and will probably give it a try as well but… There's a couple of reasons why I think the spoon will be the better choice.

1.) The water is pretty stained. Not muddy by any means but it's a good healthy stain. Think spinner bait water and you'd be pretty close. Having never fished a drop shot before I'm clueless as to what is the best water to fish it in but I'm thinkin' visibility is a key factor. With the spoon I can drop it on their head.


2.) "IF" I find'em in deeper water I suspect they'll be suspended well off the bottom 10-12' off the bottom. I suspect the maximum dropshot rig is going to max out at around 5' or so. With the spoon I can drop it to the bottom then bring it up to where the fish are suspended and get in amoungst them. Hopefully I can see the spoon on my electronics as I plan on diddlin' with the sensitivity until I can.


All of that is "IF" I can locate suspended fish in deep water. The weather this week is forcasting lows in the 20's and 30's and highs in the low to upper 50's with rain alternating virtually every other day. Tournament day, as of now, has a forcast of 38-59 and partly cloudy. Wind, at this point, is not in the forcast. Wind could be a factor that would make it difficult if not impossible to execute this plan but what will be – will be.


Water temps last weekend ranged from 49-58. A big spread with the warmer water being in the shallower more stained water in the backs of creeks later in the day. Even though I found warmer water I was unable to provoke a bite in it. Most of the areas I was in the water temp ranged from 50-52.


I've got a box that has nothing in it but spoons, silver buddies and lil' georges. I've carried that box on the boat for approx. 15 years. I've tied that stuff on probably 3 times. This coming weekend will make 4 times.


By all means, do try the spoons, but don't forget the Recoil Rig. 

I understand what you're saying about the stained water, but remember that you can use these rigs in just about any water, with any lure.  There are guys on Lake Fork throwing 14″ worms with the Recoil Rig, so there's a lot of room for experimentation with it.

The nice thing is, you don't need "the right water" to fish it.  It works as well in 6″ as it does in 60 feet!  I've used it with fish suspended 10-12 feet off the bottom with some pretty good success.  All you have to do is tie the hook so the tag end is longer so that the lure is just about at the fish's depth or slightly above them.  Then just position the boat over them, drop it into the school and wiggle em up!

Remember that any place you'd fish a Carolina Rig or jig, you can fish a Recoil Rig, with whatever lure you think is going to work.

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media

7:23 am
February 23, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Actually while i havnt used it the drop shot rig much let alone the recoil,on bull shoals they are used to catch spots suspended in 60 ft of water,and when bottom bouncing see it no different than a crig.

As for water depth we all by nature tend to fish what we like,not always what the fish like.

80 percent of what I fish I can stick a rod down in the water and touch bottom with it.

I skinnydip a lot getting into such places and other than running in large waves when on the main a flats boat would suit me well.

A full ten percent while the front of the boat is 3 ft of water ,less than a boat length away is water about 20 ft deep,or more.

That leaves 10 percent im in that 20 and five percent of that im casting to that 3 ft water,that leaves 5 percent of fishing deep.Meaining im comfortable on the water 95 percent of the time.

Yes the silver buddy will catch fish here its considered a winter pattern.Hopkins spoons work as well,on sauger,drum and stripers with an occasional bass.

But if im digging down that deep into my bag I m not on much,normally.

6:31 am
February 23, 2010


dougw

Texas

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OutdoorFrontiers said:

There've been some guys here on Kentucky Lake spooning up some largemouth, but it's not my cup of tea….

Secret Weapon has some spoons in their line up that were selling well at the Classic.

I think I'd be trying that Recoil Rig out a whole lot.


Spooning ain't my cup'o'tea either – by any means. But a mans gotta do what'a mans gotta do. I've thought about the drop shot or recoil rig and will probably give it a try as well but… There's a couple of reasons why I think the spoon will be the better choice.

1.) The water is pretty stained. Not muddy by any means but it's a good healthy stain. Think spinner bait water and you'd be pretty close. Having never fished a drop shot before I'm clueless as to what is the best water to fish it in but I'm thinkin' visibility is a key factor. With the spoon I can drop it on their head.


2.) "IF" I find'em in deeper water I suspect they'll be suspended well off the bottom 10-12' off the bottom. I suspect the maximum dropshot rig is going to max out at around 5' or so. With the spoon I can drop it to the bottom then bring it up to where the fish are suspended and get in amoungst them. Hopefully I can see the spoon on my electronics as I plan on diddlin' with the sensitivity until I can.


All of that is "IF" I can locate suspended fish in deep water. The weather this week is forcasting lows in the 20's and 30's and highs in the low to upper 50's with rain alternating virtually every other day. Tournament day, as of now, has a forcast of 38-59 and partly cloudy. Wind, at this point, is not in the forcast. Wind could be a factor that would make it difficult if not impossible to execute this plan but what will be – will be.


Water temps last weekend ranged from 49-58. A big spread with the warmer water being in the shallower more stained water in the backs of creeks later in the day. Even though I found warmer water I was unable to provoke a bite in it. Most of the areas I was in the water temp ranged from 50-52.


I've got a box that has nothing in it but spoons, silver buddies and lil' georges. I've carried that box on the boat for approx. 15 years. I've tied that stuff on probably 3 times. This coming weekend will make 4 times.

6:26 pm
February 22, 2010


lilmule

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I use  spoon all the time,chili,vegetable soup,beans etc.

If I  want to see fish in the boat just have to look at the other end where Steve is at.

Besides hes more photogenic.

5:57 pm
February 22, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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There've been some guys here on Kentucky Lake spooning up some largemouth, but it's not my cup of tea….

Secret Weapon has some spoons in their line up that were selling well at the Classic.

I think I'd be trying that Recoil Rig out a whole lot.

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media

5:48 pm
February 22, 2010


dougw

Texas

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Went to Lake Conroe last weekend. Other than somewhere along the way ripping a brake line off the trailer and shearing 6 bolts on the compressor pully on the XS – I managed to get skunked as well. I mean not even a sniff – much less a bite. Due to engine problems my fishing day was pretty much over at 2pm. But got to do a lot of thinking on the way home and the time since I came off the water.


What I saw while on the lake were folks fishing shallow, cranking deep, and c'riggin' deep on points and around the mouths of major coves. What I didn't see was anyone setting the hook. So what's the plan?


Well…. it's been a long time and I've never been sucessful at this but I'm gonna give it a try come either Friday if I go to the lake a day early or durning the tournament. In Georgia when it got really cold guys would win tournaments sittin' in the middle of the lake – spooning. Yup, I'm gonna try spooing me up some bass. This winter has been much colder much longer that is anywhere near normal for this area. For this reason I suspect the fish have gone deeper than folks normally catch them. So… I've mapped out a few deep water areas that either have road beds, are well off main lake points or where the contour lines go from 16' to around 30' in a hurry.


Shouldn't take long to find out if this stratagey is going to work or not but – at least I have a plan!

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