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11:17 am
August 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Steve if you wish to do you can,np here.

Him furninshing an obserber means though you dont go with him but with someone else,during actual T.Its a draw trail.

Like he said he would pay for your membership,as you do have to beliong,up to you guys,either way hes covered.

10:32 am
August 12, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

Whitlock, TN

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I don't understand all that stuff, which is one of the reasons I've never joined up and fished the bigger circuits. 


But if you need and observer, I can certainly do that!  Although I'm not an ABA member….

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media

7:49 am
August 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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I would be willing to prefish for the aoy and show you what lil i know about Barkley then offer 2 days of kent prefishing along with holes and pattterns,leaving the third final day for your boater link freebee,then do not show them the honey hole but fish locally like 3 ,4 ,7,etc,not much gas used either that way,as one day with me we would drive to 178 and put in there then run halfway back,getting familiar with the lake and other spots,next day local short close holes then running halfway to 178 from this direction,along with holes in the middle as altrnate places,ledges and bass bay are is about 1/2way in case you desire to look at maps,actual halfway is the next cove down on the left.Thats a suggestion is all actual planning is left to you.

You need other places as its a 42 mile one way trip,may not get usage of your boat one day unless guaranteed via a link or it turn nasty

And due to boat problems have never actually gone all the way,only half from each direction,but know if its viable they bite its a honey hole id stay on for three days if at all possible.

Again your  decisions im along for the ride and a tidbit of info

7:31 am
August 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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It constantly changes,they invented a regional then aol fishoff,prior the aoy was determined at the nationals themselves,At same time they came up with on last day boaters only think last year was the first at pickwick,again subject to change.Notice in teh rules all one needs is a 15 ft boat,in fine print its 16 ft at nationals,they may have changed that as well making it 16 for both.

Things you will need some just for barkley

Net bait

Paca craws reg and baby -green pumkin and green pumkin watermelon,it is normally used as a jig trailer but late in the season is used largely by itself and will get more hits than a jig with the same paca craw on it.Drum love them as well as garlic flavored get three packs of each.

Bandit 100 rootbeer,havnt a clue as its a greenish brown back with creame sides,its a creek bait that time of year,lake is on drawdon and many coves resemble creeks and depth about the same 2-3 ft.

kentucky-bushogs and baby bushogs same colors

horney toads-black,watermelon,purple

spro jr floating frog black,one that floats any kind as long as it walks well side to side

1/4 oz white chatterbait,as att times they wont hit a spinnerbait yet will slam it

anything else id think youd have it,of course bring jigs yet most of the time that trick about the trailer works even better

and several times they did run out of even pairs of boaters,they got an observer he or they were lucky another time two boaters had to flip and each get 1/2 time so it pays to link

on forum off 1 free day of preffishing,it means a lot to a nonboater,many offfer 50 bucks a free room etc ive turned them down as wanted to out once,not get paid

Roger Hite

2200 point pleasant road

buchanan,tn,38222

#47841

div32

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6:40 am
August 12, 2010


dougw

Texas

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Okiee Dokiee…. Supply me with a mailing address n' I'll send ABA registration fee to ya'.


ABA is insane. What are you talking about "boaters only" on the last day? Where did that come from? And yes it's false advertising and misleading to say the least when they tell you "win your district and fish for National AOY" without adding all the caveats and conditions. Just more reasons why this is my last year associating with the ABA. Learn the rules??? There was nothing posted at the beginning of the season relative to AOY competition other than what it took to win divisional AOY.

6:33 am
August 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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And it isnt guaranteed usage of your boat unless linked at the nationals other than one day out of three,that works against you as well draw a guy from osh kosh wis third day who hasnt run his 16 ft tracker ,40 hp steed any other the previous two days and hes guaranteed usage if he so desires.

That draw paring is done via computer,im sure no human was involved even though you arnt the favorite they would like see win-there goes a new boat,there goes a big check

naw waste of time getting guarantted-im guaranteed anyway as im here drove 879 miles

that and 1.05 might get you a cup of coffee

6:14 am
August 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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It isnt guaranteed usage of your boat at aoy,unless you provide an observer,it is possible to win your div and not fish for national aoy,because there arnt enopugh obserbers,no two districct aoy will fish together normally,with that many districts thats a lot of pairings,or obserbers.

So just winning you local doesnt guarantee you get in the fish off.

5:58 am
August 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Show up without one,and its not guaranteed usage in aol,meaning if not enough obserbers you become one.They generally get a few local college kids some may be 17year old girls with issues at 60 mph,no guatranttee you wont draw one like that either as its a draw format,whom ever guarantees your usage, does not go with you,as we are friends ,relatives etc who would like you to win.

With an ovserber whom one doesnt generally know rooting for someone else,its difficult to toss out or cull a dead fish,or lift a coral pen full of fish.With a freind or relative its possible,thus why we do not go together day of T.And you must furnish me for someone else,thus guaranteeing you fish.

Some one wont listen,tn on Barkley is 18 in on smallmouth,the main  benefit you have is guarantted to fish the thing,regardless,other benefit is the one prefish for aoy they can go with you show you holes 27,34,and 81,then on practice days for the main event show you 3,4,7,178 etc.

Most likly ending then at time of actual T but still possible for them to need an observer when whittleing down the field last day to all boaters may be one short,in for a penny in for a pound.

So in effect if you really want to fish aoy instead of possibly watching obtain an obserber.

Meaing fish all year get district then because not enough obserbers and you didnt guarantee usage you sit on the bank and watch someone else become national aoy.

Same with a non boater link in main T it guarantess you usage of your boat every day since you brought someone elses pard.Told you about linking some time back,it could possibly save an earned check from escaping,14 pd a day third day,the other boater you draw whos says hes on fish wants his boat his 6lbs of fish.You may have to many linked guarantted boaters so some get paired,thats when an obserber comes back in to play.

If your going to play the game learn how its played,then play well

Im in about same boat steve is not a member,and what money I have is earmarked for anotherT of my own,so in effect if you desire me renew my membership,I would do it  normally anyway but just dont have the denaro available to waste presently on others,no pun intended.

Personally I think last day boaters only sucks,and only someone like aba could ever think up another way to screw the nonboaters,or members in general.

Im positive there is   someone on their payroll that their only job is to think up crap like that.

Dot your I s and cross your T,or learn to squeal really good.Sorry couldnt resist.

Meaning get a link for aoy then a nonboater link for the nationals,regardless if you understand it or not.

4:32 am
August 12, 2010


dougw

Texas

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I still don't understand the linking with the observer for the AOY FR. Guaranteed use of boat is a non-issue. I'm gonna use my boat as is every other angler fishing the AOY FR, thus the need for observers. Now…. IF they guarantee use of boat in the National T for providing an observer that would be good. Guess I'll call Ellen and get a clarification on that this morning.


Steve… you wanna do some observing? IF so… let me know!

10:10 pm
August 11, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Then be also  be at the aol premeeting to draw a boater,make arrangements to meet somewhere etc.So  just about as much involvment for a boat ride as you have in actual fishing,with no help from us permitted,we just sit there drink coffee smoke etc,bake ,broil simmer and possibly draw someone who does not know what trim and tilt is used for or likes running inside the red bouys,chews spit in the wind-good ol boy.

So while it can be differnt generally quite boring,but if needed will do.

10:01 pm
August 11, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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I keep thinking of other things and cant edit older post.

The reason for linking is guarantess your boat usage,there are those who do not know anyone and will show up,local voluteers sometimes fall short,there fore you guarantee you get to fish it by linking,without it can be sol.They generally get a few locals but maybe not enough.

Also linked observer must sign un just like you do at the annex building when  you arive to prove hes here,not at the same time but sometime during signup.

Again it may be all covered by volunteers,but never know.

9:50 pm
August 11, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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It also means day of actual fishing we dont go together,as I might help you cheat,I go where they draw me at same with steve if he does it,so its only prefishing we would be together.Day of t we are with someone else,just thought id add that

9:39 pm
August 11, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Sorry just now spotted this,for some reason im not getting emails saying new post etc,only on those ive started does that happen.Kinda been preoccupied as well,with distatefull things.

I believe that pertains mostly to the aol fishoff not during actual T,and yes it sucks going a long ways off and generally not knowing anyone.

Im going to have to renew as ,mine is just now out of date,but if steve doesnt want to yes,if he does np here,if you desire to use me im #47841 district 32 7/08/10.Was waiting for a T to actually rejoin as limited funds.You are correct though they could prefish with you anywhere ,in the past those same people were like on call in case in reg T someone lost or didnt have a pairup,its happend on several occasions,and their pets never do without,they grab somone who had done it for another  as their pet knows noone,if if they do know them dont want because of that.

I got a couple Id tellem take a hike walk on water etc.

Wont name them.

7:00 pm
August 11, 2010


dougw

Texas

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LOL… y'all got tha' topic name figgered out yet????


Got my personal invite papers yesterday. Seems I "must" provide and observer to the party. I've been fishing tournaments since the early 90's. Well fished my first'un around '81 but got hard core about it in '93. Anyhow… I've never fished anyone's championship that I "had" to do anything other'n show up. Not only "must" I provided an observer… said observer "must" be an aba member or… a family member.


LM… you wanna be an observer? If you do you can prefish with me on Barkely. They said somthing about "linking" the observer and pro angler. What'eva'in'tha'hell – that means? Why would a link be necessary???


Anyhow-ways… Iffen LM don't want to or simply can't take the observer role. The offer rolls over to Steve. If you're, Steve, not a ABA member I will remedy that by paying your 1 year membership fee.


Rest assured this is my last year being involved in ABA – their rules and "MUST" are some of the most asnine things I've encountered in fishing bass tournaments. 1/2# penalty for a dead fish??? We're doing all we can to keep'em alive. We fish in the summer, 5 fish liimit, water temps in the mid-90's… fish are gonna die. What was wrong with 1/4# penalty? I could rant for hours…. bout foolish ABA rules n' regs…. while they let Division directors steal money and lie to members – that's ok I suppose…. OK… I'll shut up!

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