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4:25 pm July 8, 2010
| lilmule
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They were either with a horney toad or the swimbait problem is they didnt want much it on top and even if striking at it didnt take well resulting in missed strikes on both.
Sometimes they will hit something just under the surface,but since they have and were hitting flukes tried that retrieve and its working,side to side action and under but in sight for the most part.Like all things the bite will tend to change,currently thats it.
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4:12 pm July 8, 2010
| dougw
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Agreed…. Single hook weedless is way better than a handful of trebles. In the picture it appeared y'all were in fairly open, alebit shallow, water. Just thought a wake bait mite'a got that reaction bite.
On the second day of the district 2 day championship on Coleto Creek I went through approx. 75 yards of stuff that looked similar to that, 'cept it was topped over hydrilla. I truely did look like a salad shooter. But… got through the stuff to a hooked point with a 20yd or so clearing all the around it where the grass wasn't growing. One guy in the tournament saw me go in and said it was a sight to behold! A fluke caught one 6#er and two keepers… a swim bait the other 6#er and one keeper… fer almost 18#s.
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12:44 pm July 8, 2010
| lilmule
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Ps not waking it,treating it same as super magnum fluke.
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12:42 pm July 8, 2010
| lilmule
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Ive tried a buzzjet as well as jointed shad one can outside the pads but not in,had no luck with them either.
But take a look at whats behind Steve in the pic,then we had to actually go in to catch fish this time any bigger than whats in the pic.Most busters were 80 yards from us and at least 50 inside the pads.
Thats why imm so happy to have figgured out the swimbait,and if ones catching fish on a soft why change to anything else let alone treble hooks.
Kinda like leaving fish to go find fish?
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11:26 am July 8, 2010
| dougw
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Speaking of waking…. What about a true hard bodied wake bait? The reason I ask is you may be able to crank it a little faster and possibly induce a reaction strike vs a "get outta my face" slap.
I've owned 3 OMC products in my life. A 1969 100hp evinrude, 1994 70hp evinrude and a 1995 150hp evinrude. Never had a problem with any of them with the exception of the previously mentioned broken wires on the '69. And now that I'm thinking about it. I owned that rig in 1969 it might'a been a '65 or so engine – heck mite'a been older'n that. I was only 19 at the time – what did I know???? I know on that Renken 18' tri-hull it would do two things exceptionally well. It would make that li'l Renken fly which would then make the Renken beat the snot out of ya'! And it would suck gas.
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9:35 am July 8, 2010
| lilmule
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I wont hold it against you since you now have the correct brand.
Now know how and what on the swimbait,throwing it weightless,on my glass seeker rod,only tad weak for getting them out but did work nicely.
Next time we go want to try yours as well .
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8:49 am July 8, 2010
| OutdoorFrontiers
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Lil Merc, I like it!!! Actually, although I'm running an Evinrude now, it's only the second OMC product I've ever owned. And the last OMC type outboard I had was a 1963 10 horse Johnson way back in the mid-80's…. All my other outboards have either been Mercury products and one Force.
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6:54 am July 8, 2010
| lilmule
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Ah you can also catch large fish on those things and no not initials its one name LiLMule,as for the hat its Steves and hes omc as well,must keep it around just for those that forget theirs ,so he can rib them.
Often here on the floaters its a changing bite but sometimes on everything,their are days when they just slash at baits,then killing it afterward sometimes works somtimes not.
That area large worms weightless or on a weed type jighead,fluke super magnum flukes,rubber floaters,horney toads.
Last year they didnt like anything with paddle tails,this year they do,prior to me cacthing any on a horny caught them on floaters with paddle tails,and the swimbaits with them are getting hits yet those that swim with a straight tail are not.
Just because it looks real looks great in the water ,means they actually hit it.
And yet they do hit some rather odd looking stuff,that doesnt like anything real justs makes a commotion,depps basirisky,closest thing to it is a 3 hp outboard,running with the prop exposed.
I guarantee you can be in another boat 300 ft away and hear the bait as well as the strike,heads turn for 1/8 a mile.I bet they are wondering what the ell im tossing.They have a single hook with
a horrible hookup ratio,before you go get a bunch(at about 19 a pop as well).
No didnt pay that for them got each one in a lot off ebay that cost under 5 for several frogs,pic didnt display those to good so got to try cheap.
You might want to practice weightless everything,crig will work on the ledges still,but think shallow .For here in oct,real shallow.If I cant touch bottom with my rod tip without bending down a lot am to deep.Think 1 1/2-2 ft working depth,with 1 ft viable with the bait itself.
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6:23 am July 8, 2010
| dougw
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Ah Haaa! Now I know what the initials LM really mean….. "Love Mercury"! or could be "Li'l Merc". Yeah! Li'l Merc… that's gotta be it!
Even the best spots have off days… But that may have been a day when I'd'a pulled off and found the first break line towards deeper water and gave that a try. Or getting in the really ugly stuff and punching through with a jig or a big worm.
On Choke Canyon when they were slapping at the frog I'd immediately crank back in and chunk a Super(not the Mag) fluke to the same spot and dead stick it. Sometimes it took around 5-6 seconds or so for'em to locate it but they did. I use the mag fluke alot – 'specially on C'rigs. You'd be surprised how small a fish you can catch on those things!
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9:11 pm July 7, 2010
| lilmule
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GRRRRRR!
At least no evidence as no pic,had several good bites each on top ,but really not that interested they were,taking funny just not getting a hook in them good like someone who went to fla.
Steve had two bites on a horny toad and no hookups at all,me large 8 in swimbait one really nice swirl partical hookup,but difficult to tell whats swirling on the other end when not into view.
Area does have rather large gar at times,suspect maybe a wayaward muskie or grass pike occasionally,and sometime sauger come into the grass me having one on on the main lake that hammered a fluke yet still not hooked good.
Just about the time one figgures one thing out here another species comes along like a huge drum,to test out ones gear,I thinl I landed a record last year and rleased never thought about it till afterward and had no camera,took up the entire front deck of the jag ,record is 52 pds by the way.
Their reluctance to take top water baits combined with our misses on those slashes.left us with but one keeper,has we actually been on the ball or had better bites would have limited.
Think twas the latter needed a better bite,water warm,high was 3.5 ft,in the fall at that time 1.5,sun was super bright.
If one goes back and looks at all the posts,me in particlar has had a lot of missed strikes on floating frogs,prior to me actually catching them each and every time almost,somewhat due to the changing bite and the way they bite as at times its quite different.
Normally a horney toad one sets the hook immeadiately like a buzzbait strike,yet floating frogs count to three,yesterday one needed not to have rod loaded upon the strike point it at them then set,brought back a fluke bitten off even with the hook shank,had them grab the tail of the swimbait etc,yet they wanted an erractic trigger,and thats what it was a trigger strike,most occurring upon the bait hitting the water,often after seeing one bust and tossing past it slightly.
Problem was most were doing that 80-90 yards away.being able to toss the weighted swimbait farther got more hits on it,taking my two handed seeker rod next time.
Normally the horney toad bite is about the same just the floaters need adjustment to the strike but july 6 was one of those weird days for them even.
I do however think im onto a different bait to toss there,as super magnum flukes have worked for me there and can wake these things.Combined with later on the american shad(skipjacks) in jumps adter minnows any swimbait 6-8 in long silverish sides should be dynamte.
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8:36 pm July 7, 2010
| OutdoorFrontiers
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Yeah, we went there yesterday. I think we're still a bit early as last year, we didn't hit that water until August. And last year, I don't think it was this hot for this long, which has affected the water temperature.
While we did catch some fish, it was the first time that we didn't land at least a 4 pounder. Heck, even the last time I went there, I landed a 4 lb., 13 oz. bass. So I think the weather has been playing heck with the area.
Although we didn't do very well where ever we went.
It was just one of those days….
And Lil Mule, I thought you looked cute in that Mercury hat! 
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7:56 pm July 7, 2010
| lilmule
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Yes
Not near as thick this year
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7:02 pm July 7, 2010
| dougw
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Is that area in the picture hole 179?
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7:57 am July 7, 2010
| lilmule
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Steve the musky swimbaits and flukes you showed me without the treble hooks shouuld work,that one has a shad color dont know if its blunt nose would need to be trimmed but figgure can be used as is,the longer sulggo is about two inches longer than a super fluke(guessing),may be longer but its slender should work fine.
I suspect my two misses particularly that one was due to needing a slightly larger hook,although it did slip the rubber down and partially impale itself but for only a moment a softer rubber may also help mine is a commercial money minnow.
Got them last year but didnt have much luck with them,heard that the schoolers were hitting them,so gave it a try.
And liked the result of that one hit anyway,wasmt any 14 in schooler,something like that large sluggo with about a 7/0 hook then reburried skin hook would work well down there I think.
Next time when we go if you wont toss one I sure will,and will remember my hat as dont want sabotaged with a merc creation.
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