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3:42 pm
February 1, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Went and actually read the article,it did stem from being inside that distance and also because he drove it.

Had a parent driven it .left it there and he asked for a parent they would have nothing to stand on at all.

Being a student the school has the right to act as a parent if not present because of the minor being left in their charge.

Was it bad judgement ,yes was it an intended felony no.

Many years ago,1967,my own high school tired to expell me,saying I had driven a vehicle over the curb and was hotdogging or reckless driving,then also stated my motorcycle at times  was parked over on sears lot without a permit.Reply was motorcyle (honda 50) was broken been parked for months on my grandfathers porch and that it was his 1952 vehicle that he dropped me off in the morning,came back in the afternoon sometimes let me drive as i did have a lic.

I offered my 84 year old grandfathers phone number they never called him and complained he was a bad driver.Knowing him had they dione so he would have come to school and punched the principal in the mouth,having survived ww1 trenches and german gas he lacked certain qualities.

Even in those days a student was dealt with differently than an adult,I got an f in a class for not taking the final-my grandmother died and I attended the funeral,no make up  test offered.

I took the f as wasnt a needed course to graduate and didnt tell granfather,as knew what he would do..

2:43 pm
February 1, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Agree he wasnt a threat or even on school property.

It is I think collateral damage stemming for any illegal act within so many feet of any school,such as drug related normally.And generally such an act carries a stiffer penalty if within I think 1000 ft of same.

Should it be repealed no,but also dont think this was a an illegal act or meant to used in such,many school shootings having taken place are also the culprit,springing up preconceived ideas about firearms and schools in general.

Surely if not stored legally or if brandished but not in a locked box.

Assuming this was public parking what if say you or I had parked there,with legally stored guns,at some time and point a search of a database comes to mind and the students name pops up along with alarm bells.

What if you lived 750 ft away and actually left yours locked,but unloaded,next day having dogs and police all over it.

Being an old cuss id have a few choice words for them,and an attorney if they had actually opened my locked box.

If with a warrant then whoever signed such a warrant would be first on my list of people to sue.

Along with everyone involved with carrying it out.

I wouldnt sue them because I want money,but to change the way the law was carried out,while we must protect and sometimes limit things with laws they also must be carried out without depriving anyone of their BASIC RIGHTS.

I own guns,seldom use them but want them there if needed,any attempt at limiting or removal will be strongly contested.

1:00 pm
February 1, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

Whitlock, TN

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Well see now, that's just it.  The firearm was legally stored in a locked pickup truck, unloaded and OFF SCHOOL PROPERTY.  There was no valid or legal reason for a search.  AND, there was no intent to harm anyone.

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media

8:08 am
February 1, 2010


dougw

Texas

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I feel strongly both ways.


If indeed, as the article states, the truck containing the shotguns was parked off campus – the rights of the school to impose their rules ended the moment they left school property to conduct their search.


Many times there is no way to determine intent until after the fact. In light of what has taken place in the past, and the fact that there's no good reason to have guns on school property rules and laws prohibiting them there aren't extreme – in my opinion.


If a student takes a firearm on school property rules apply. If he/she parks off campus and walks on to the property – the rules do not apply. Good intentions aside if the student parks 1/4 mile away and walks the rest of the way – is he/she still in violation of school rules?


This does beg the question on situations where parents/relative/friends are dropping students off in front of the school. Is there going to end up being a vehicle search prior to dropping the student off? Will the city deed the street over to the schools to make what was public property a part of school property? Will some cities enact laws similar to liquor laws? Can't have any firearm within 100' of school property? 200'… 300'… 1/4 mile? 2 miles?

7:26 am
February 1, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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When the National Rifle Association decided to help fight the expulsion of a Willows High student who left shotguns in his truck during school hours after a morning of duck hunting, the disciplinary measures levied against Gary Tudesko came under the full glare of the national spotlight.

"This issue has become much bigger than any of us around here," said Willows High principal Mort Geivett.

Chuck Michel, a civil rights lawyer from the Long Beach-based firm of Michel and Associates, became involved after Tudesko was expelled Nov. 19 and after the National Rifle Association and California Rifle and Pistol Association provided financial support, Tudesko's mother, Susan Parisio, said.

However, Parisio said when she initially contacted the firm right after her son was suspended, she was told there was nothing the group could do.

Explaining that Tudesko's grandmother, Sally Barron, had previously worked to defeat two state bills concerning property rights issues, Parisio said she contacted the law firm through her family's political connections and requested their help personally.

The firm's lawyers are being paid with money from the NRA/CRPA Legal Action Project, which is "a joint venture" between both groups to "advance the rights of firearms owners in California," according to information provided by Parisio.

Tudesko said he did not want to fight the expulsion, but his mother felt strongly about the issues.

In a telephone interview Thursday, Michel said gun groups are interested in Tudesko's case because zero-tolerance policies infringe on the rights of legal gun owners.

"You can't hide behind zero-tolerance policies and manufacture student safety issues at the expense of common sense," Michel said. "We need administrators that know the difference between a Gary Tudesko and a real threat."

The lenghthy brief fighting the expulsion also lists a number of other arguments for why the action was inappropriate, including Michel's contention that the search violated Tudesko's 4th Amendment rights.

Willows High administrators were adamant that the safety issue was not manufactured.

"We had every legal right to do exactly what we did," Geivett said.

Michel was careful not to call either the administrators or the school board "anti-gun."

"I don't know what their personal feelings are," Michel said. "I know it's a hunting community, but I do think they got caught up in a zero-tolerance mentality."

Michel said the Willows Unified School District board acted on bad information provided to them by Geivett, who reportedly told the board they had no choice but to expel Tudesko for possession of guns on campus.

"And the guns were never on campus; no one disputes those facts," Michel said.

Sniffer dogs hit on the truck, parked just off-campus, on Oct. 26. Tudesko admitted he had two shotguns and hunting ammunition in the truck.

WIllows High vice principal Jerry Smith, a self-described "NRA supporter and avid waterfowl hunter," said he is "baffled" by the whole situation.

"I have often gone waterfowl hunting before coming to school in the mornings and I always leave my guns at home," Smith said Thursday.

Smith said he does not believe school safety issues should create any conflict with gun rights.

"I want all my gun rights very much, but guns simply do not belong anywhere near a school," Smith said. "They just don't."

Superintendent Steve Olmos is also a self-labeled "proud hunter and gun owner," and said he has been an NRA member in the past.

Geivett, also an "outdoorsman," said, "I never thought I'd have to apologize for not being a hunter," saying though he has nothing against the sport, he has always been more interested in fishing.

Geivett said he's surprised that teacher and student groups have not gotten more involved in the issue.

"I hope they do," he added.

Parisio said if they lose their appeal to the Glenn County board of education of Tuesday, they will take their argument to the courts.

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Personally, I believe that the title of this piece says it all.  The issue IS bigger than the incident.  There's a big difference between having a gun in the truck to wipe out the student body and coming from the duck stand!

Was the student wrong?  Yes he was and deserved to be punished.  Was the school wrong to expel him?  Yes it was!

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media



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