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9:24 am
January 1, 2010


dougw

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Cast just fine. Hard to say if it's better or worse than before as I typically have a hook/bait attached. I will say it cast far enough to put a 1oz. egg sinker in the top of an oak tree approx. 1/2'a block away!


The rod "seems" lighter but really never paid it much attention to begin with. But it does have me itchin' to build the 8'(maybe 7'11″) GLoomis crankin' stick. Blank cost is 145.00 so can probably build it for under 175.00. Want to do split grip w/o fore grip. Should be light as a feather – ok a feather from a really BIG bird!

9:06 am
January 1, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Well, let us know how it casts.  I've been curious about micro guides so I'd like to hear how they do work.  Now get out there!!!!

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8:39 am
January 1, 2010


dougw

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'Tis done. I tried taking pictures of the spiral wrap but couldn't really see it all that well in the photo so didn't bother posting it. Strung it up and loaded the rod and it's "ok". The line doesn't touch the blank anywhere. I have one guide that I'm not fond of position wise but really didn't know what/where else to go with it. At best a compromise. Never paid much attention to guide spacing on off-the-shelf rods but before I do my jig rod I'll load it up just to see what it looks like. The jig rod is 6'6″ vs the 7'6″ c'rig rod so spacing "shouldn't" be as much of a problem w/9 guides – if I use 9 guides.


There are some things I learned and will do just a tad different on the next one. The epoxy brushes I have… I need to get some more with a finer tip if I'm gonna keep using micro guides. I've yet to cast it but may walk outside n' give it a sling or two just to satisfiy the o'l curiosity!

7:16 am
January 1, 2010


lilmule

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Yup stick more puckem ducky on it(epoxy),it does look good.

Fiinish product if its what you desire thats all that matters.

4:49 pm
December 31, 2009


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Not a bad job, but I think you need to get a little dab of epoxy in front of the guide too.  That will help hold the guide in place.  I'd also get some underneath the guide feet of the two foot guides as well.  But otherwise it looks great!

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4:37 pm
December 31, 2009


dougw

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These are pics right after applying the second coat of epoxy(Yup, dried this time!). It's still leveling out though. I used a heat gun after applying epoxy as it thins quite a bit with just a tad of heat. Applying heat did two things. It thinned the epoxy which, I believe, promotes thread saturation and positive contact between thread and blank. And it helps with the initial flow. My story and I'm stickin' to it!!!!!



8:35 am
December 31, 2009


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Lookin' good Doug!  Now you have to make sure to get the epoxy mixed right!

You will let me know how the rod casts with the new guides, right?


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8:13 am
December 31, 2009


dougw

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And a picture of one of the micro-guides. They're amazingly small but supposed to work very well. Guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks. I'll put the first coat of epoxy on tonight. Clean up any nibs after it dries and apply the second coat tomorrow. Then "should" be ready to go. Next up is my favorite/only pitching stick….

11:11 pm
December 30, 2009


dougw

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Here's what the stripper guide looks like before epoxy…



Got all guides wrapped after static load guide placement. During static load I felt like I could'a used a couple of more guides but only had 9 including the stripper and bumper but not counting the tip. That CastAway flippin' stick is a bit softer than I thought it was.

5:37 pm
December 30, 2009


OutdoorFrontiers

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LOL, Practice, practice, practice!


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5:16 pm
December 30, 2009


dougw

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Welp…. true to form… cut all the guides off, wiped down the blank with acetone and starting over. One reason is…. I'm in no hurry and have until Jan. 15th to get it right. Second is I didn't static load the rod when placing guides. Instead I just utilized Fuji's concept guide chart.  That probably would of been ok but what the heck…Third is the epoxy didn't set. I could of cured that with another coat of properly mixed epoxy but… Everything was sorta borderline to begin with, had the time and for sure need the practice! Soooo doin' it once again!

7:46 am
December 30, 2009


lilmule

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I love the spiral wrap or Roberts wrap (Chuck Roberts Steamboat Springs Col) he held the patent which is now no longer in effect.Micro never used them.

Ive taken the epoxy one buys in a tube then work in hands like grey putty it works to set the used blank in a used handle,then painted with green on a glass rod came out very bright like chart.,after which a lil clear coat spray from a can,even with such crude eq came out semi decent .

No one would steal it thats for sure,to short to bright to odd,great crankbait rod for ohio river barge fishing,where one is close to ones work.After about ten years the thread wrap is quite lacking but still usable.

I had a buddy who supplied me with broken rods on a regular basis,back then.

5:23 am
December 30, 2009


dougw

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Mmmmm…. 1/8oz. of this ann'a 1/8oz. of that. Mixed well. Approx. 7 hrs. on the drying rack and the epoxy has not set. Guess I'll set it in the corner for a day or two and see if it ever does. Guess if it doesn't I get to cut all the guides off, wipe it down with acetone and do it all again. I checked what was left in the mixing cup and it did not set either – not a good sign.

 I have a digita scale for mixing by weight instead of volume but typically use it when I'm mixing bigger batches. "IF" I have to do it again I'll use the scale next time!

8:38 pm
December 29, 2009


dougw

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Welp… It's on the drying rack…


Looks "ok" but probably…. won't win any awards. I'm satisfied with it for the first wrap when considering also chunked in a sprial wrap with micro guides. Them micro guides are a pain. I used the Fuji 9 guide + tip concept. The rod originally had 7 guides so the old spots are kinna visible but I'll try some rubbing compound to clean them up a tad. What the heck the rod is about 11 years old. Oh yeah… the guides are alconites.


YEAH! You messin' wid me! But I'm the forgiving type so when I come up there I'll spend some valuable time(mine) "teaching" you the concept of c'riggin'!

8:18 pm
December 29, 2009


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dougw said:

You been tryin' to get a rise outta me fer tha' last few post…. Just proves the old addage… If at first ya' don't succeed…


Anywho… all'a that aside… I now have 6 guides wrapped(sans the metallic thread). One more on the spline(spine) the two to complete the spiral wrap. In keeping with what I was told I set the stripper guide just a few degrees off the centerline to start the spirial. According to the guy I talked to he said too many folks run the spiral up the blank. Looks real nice… and makes the rod torque under tension. He said… complete the spiral before you get into the rod action. So I did!


You keep messin' wid me n' I'll have Janet put a whuppin' on ya'!


Me?  Messin' with you??  :)  


I agree with you about the rod guide placement on the blank.  I have seen it done over a long run, and I've seen in done fast.  I prefer to get it done as quickly as possible for the same reason as your buddy.  But I've heard arguments for a long term run as well.  I guess it depends on who's school of rod building you went to. 


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6:23 pm
December 29, 2009


dougw

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You been tryin' to get a rise outta me fer tha' last few post…. Just proves the old addage… If at first ya' don't succeed…


Anywho… all'a that aside… I now have 6 guides wrapped(sans the metallic thread). One more on the spline(spine) the two to complete the spiral wrap. In keeping with what I was told I set the stripper guide just a few degrees off the centerline to start the spirial. According to the guy I talked to he said too many folks run the spiral up the blank. Looks real nice… and makes the rod torque under tension. He said… complete the spiral before you get into the rod action. So I did!


You keep messin' wid me n' I'll have Janet put a whuppin' on ya'!

4:52 pm
December 29, 2009


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LOL, I doubt if anyone would have laughed.  I said that only to get a rise out of you, and it looks like I did!

I'd love to see the rod when it's done…

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4:30 pm
December 29, 2009


dougw

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DW's Custom Rod building and repair is now in business!!! Hahahaha!


Got the stripper guide wrapped. Turquoise metallic/black per CastAway standards!


Sure I'll post pictures but I doubt you'll laugh… I kinna annal about things like this and I'll unwrap every guide and start over if I don't like it before I epoxy it.


Will say one thing… Having done all of one guide with the hand wrapper… I'm glad I got the hand wrapper. Maybe someday as my skill level grows a power wrapper might make sense but right now 1 rpm at a constant speed would probably be waaaay to fast!


This "was" a telescopic flipping stick but I've put the stripper guide such that it no longer will be telescopic – which I never utilized anyway. Doing the stripper guide, which is basically a standard sized guide #12-I think but it may be a #10. Getting started was tough enough with it – the micro-guides oughta be a trip!

3:17 pm
December 29, 2009


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LOL, you probably remember more than you think you have.  And you'll do just fine, all you have to do is remember to take your time. 

So go re-do that rod and take some pictures after it's done.  Post them here so we can all laugh at your work!  :)

Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media

2:48 pm
December 29, 2009


dougw

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Okiee Dokiee… pulled the trigger on a wrapping system… Hand wrapping system. Got a 6 rpm drying set-up to go with it. The hand wrapper has two thread tensioning devices and has a sliding(dove tail setup) thread guide. Fishing Tackle Unlimited did have the new K-guides in stock but I opted for the micro-guides. Those things ain't much taller than the 50# braid I use!


First rod on the list C'rig rod. It's been needing the guides re-wrapped for several years but instead of simply re-wrapping them I'm going to replace them with the micro guides and do a spiral wrap while I'm at it.


The guy at Fishing Tackle Unlimited is a rod wrapper and he showed me some of his work and such. Also wrapped a few guides and showed me some of the in's and out's of it – most of which I've probably already forgotten. But I think I remember enough to get this rod wrapped and make it look and behave fairly decently.

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