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12:37 pm
February 9, 2010
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andyfender
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dougw said:Andy… one thing I haven't heard you mention in this braid discussion is…. the rod you will be using. Typically you'll need a bit softer rod for braid applications simply because of it's no stretch properties. Just something "else" to think about. Hook setting conserns will be a thing of the past when you spool up with braid but beware… too stiff of a rod and you can pull hooks outta fish or bend hooks, and lose fish.
I am using St Croix Premier rods 7' M/H action.
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8:50 pm
January 4, 2010
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dougw
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Andy… one thing I haven't heard you mention in this braid discussion is…. the rod you will be using. Typically you'll need a bit softer rod for braid applications simply because of it's no stretch properties. Just something "else" to think about. Hook setting conserns will be a thing of the past when you spool up with braid but beware… too stiff of a rod and you can pull hooks outta fish or bend hooks, and lose fish.
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6:48 pm
January 4, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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LOL, I didn't mean for you to take everything I said as the gospel, I just wanted you to think a little bit. If I made you think a little bit, then that's great! I just don't want you to blindly follow someone's advice without doing some research first!
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Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media
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5:09 pm
January 4, 2010
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andyfender
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OutdoorFrontiers said:
andyfender said:
It's the line memory and the limpness that drives my nuts about mono.
OK, then you'll be fine. There is a little learning curve with braid, but you should be fine.
Okay, so I read a lot of different fishing forums and get caught up in all the different opinions out there on line. I am going to go with Steve's recommendation and go with 10# Power Pro, no leader. I will use this on my spinning reels, From Drop Shotting, Wacky, Jig, Crank,Jerk etc. Steve just has way to many points and makes to much sense not to use it!
Andy
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3:00 pm
January 4, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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mikestewart said:Well then, I'll let you know how I fare for walleye later this week. Going to make a run north Wednesday or Thursday to my favorite hidey hole for walleye and winter smallmouth.
Well then, you just have fun. Brrrr……..
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12:59 pm
January 4, 2010
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mikestewart
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Well then, I'll let you know how I fare for walleye later this week. Going to make a run north Wednesday or Thursday to my favorite hidey hole for walleye and winter smallmouth.
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The echo of a child's laugher in the outdoors falls upon God's ears, making Him smile~
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10:32 am
January 4, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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Heck, not only did I use it for deep water jigging for trout and salmon, I've also used it for shallow water fishing and it worked just fine! Without a leader!
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9:44 am
January 4, 2010
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mikestewart
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Steve, did you ever use the super lines for deep water vertical jigging while ice fishing? I'm thinking of giving it a try for salmon and lakers as soon as the bay ices up enough to get on it. How about in shallower water with a flourocarbon leader for walleye or panfish through the ice.
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11:23 am
January 3, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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andyfender said:
It's the line memory and the limpness that drives my nuts about mono.
OK, then you'll be fine. There is a little learning curve with braid, but you should be fine.
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10:21 am
January 3, 2010
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andyfender
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OutdoorFrontiers said:
LOL Andy! If mono is giving you problems, you might want to consider a different line! Braided line like PowerPro, or even fused line like FireLine is hard and slick. This means that when you tie knots, you're going to have problems unless you're very careful.
There's basically two knots (OK, three) that you'll need to learn. One is the Palomar Knot. This knot won't slip on you, and offers good knot strength. The other is the Improved Clinch Knot. You might have been tying this one all along, but you're going to have to do SEVEN wraps of the tag end around the mainline in order to keep it from slipping. Finally, learn the Uni to Uni Knot for tying on leaders.
Then, there's putting line on the reel. If you're using a reel that has a wiffle spool, you can tye the line to the spool by tying through holes on the spool. But, if you're spool doesn't have holes in it, you're either going to have to tye on a little bit of mono first or you're going to have to tape the line onto the spool. If you don't do this, you're going to have line slippage problems.
I tape the line to the spool as I fill the spool with PowerPro, but it's done either way.
It's the line memory and the limpness that drives my nuts about mono.
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9:39 am
January 3, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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LOL Andy! If mono is giving you problems, you might want to consider a different line! Braided line like PowerPro, or even fused line like FireLine is hard and slick. This means that when you tie knots, you're going to have problems unless you're very careful.
There's basically two knots (OK, three) that you'll need to learn. One is the Palomar Knot. This knot won't slip on you, and offers good knot strength. The other is the Improved Clinch Knot. You might have been tying this one all along, but you're going to have to do SEVEN wraps of the tag end around the mainline in order to keep it from slipping. Finally, learn the Uni to Uni Knot for tying on leaders.
Then, there's putting line on the reel. If you're using a reel that has a wiffle spool, you can tye the line to the spool by tying through holes on the spool. But, if you're spool doesn't have holes in it, you're either going to have to tye on a little bit of mono first or you're going to have to tape the line onto the spool. If you don't do this, you're going to have line slippage problems.
I tape the line to the spool as I fill the spool with PowerPro, but it's done either way.
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8:54 am
January 3, 2010
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andyfender
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Andy, at some point, you just have to stop researching and just give some line a try. If you look long enough, you'll be able to find someone that says "why spend a lot of money on line, just get anything and it'll work just fine." That's what you're getting with me, with Doug, and with anyone else, an opinion on what works for me.
You'll just have to bite the bullet and try something. Only then will you know for certain what works and what doesn't.
Steve,
You are 100% correct. So what I am going to do is load my reels with Braid, either 10 or 15lb. When I drop shot I will have the option of using a fluorocarbon leader. Braid will be exciting for me to use since the only line I have ever used was Mono. I am looking forward in using a line that has basically no memory, where mono has a memory like an elephant. Tying knots with mono is a lesson in patience and mono usually wins! LOL
Andy
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8:51 am
January 3, 2010
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lilmule
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Yup just try one to compare then discard if you dont like it,you must like it, not someone else.
Brand isnt important my first exposure to braid was my dads ww2 army kevlar thread,used to sew patches on(bet you didnt know it was that old) and it worked.May not have be as true a braid as nowdays but it was neat(free as well),generally tied to a cane pole.
I used it all up years ago,age takes its toll as well my dads flying jacket came apart finally along with the pants(they were warm ) and the mickey mouse boots developed a hole about 1990.
Anything made good lasts a long time.
I have used fireline for several years about 2 then reverse on the spool,but not everyone should follow examples,try leading,discover what you like.
I find my likes change just as,time and the products do.
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8:06 am
January 2, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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andyfender said:
What type of line do you use on your spinning reels? I go back and fourth whether to use braid or fluro on my spinning reels. Everything Steve has written on braid makes complete sense. Then I read some Drop Shot anglers only using Fluro and they have also tried every string under the stars and claim there catch rate improved immensely. So you can see this gets a little confusing.
Andy
Andy, at some point, you just have to stop researching and just give some line a try. If you look long enough, you'll be able to find someone that says "why spend a lot of money on line, just get anything and it'll work just fine." That's what you're getting with me, with Doug, and with anyone else, an opinion on what works for me.
You'll just have to bite the bullet and try something. Only then will you know for certain what works and what doesn't.
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7:57 am
January 2, 2010
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dougw
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Andy… I use P-Line fluroClear on my spinning reels. I've been using it for who knows how many years and I absolutely love it. I don't like the reduced knott strength or special fluro knotts required when using straight flurocarbon. The FluoClear gives me the knott strength of a co-polyomer with some of the advantages of straight flurocarbon. It's more flexible and cast a bit better than flurocarbon as well… I just have a lot of trouble believing that line visibility is a real issue. I mean… ya' got hooks, split-rings(in some cases), a non-natural plastic bill(with crankbaits) dangling off of these baits and then someone says that the line prevents fish from biting? Line selection, in my opinion, should be dictated by what you want the lure to do. Limper is almost always better and to date they ain't made a flurocarbon equal to the limpness of co-polymers or mono – much less braid.
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7:20 am
January 2, 2010
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andyfender
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Andy… Currently I'm using power pro but I'm not all that fond of it. Had a span of knott failures that I've never experienced with other braids. Other than that I can't tell a whit of difference from one braid to the next. If you research it some you'll see some are now made with polyester fibers, or something like that. In the future I'm going to try either the Berkely braid or the P-Line braid. I don't use braid on any spinning reel but my spook and it seems to do just fine. Everything else seemed to cone up on the spool too much for my liking.
Doug,
What type of line do you use on your spinning reels? I go back and fourth whether to use braid or fluro on my spinning reels. Everything Steve has written on braid makes complete sense. Then I read some Drop Shot anglers only using Fluro and they have also tried every string under the stars and claim there catch rate improved immensely. So you can see this gets a little confusing.
Andy
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4:09 pm
December 30, 2009
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dougw
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andyfender said:
Doug,
What line do you use?
Andy
Andy… Currently I'm using power pro but I'm not all that fond of it. Had a span of knott failures that I've never experienced with other braids. Other than that I can't tell a whit of difference from one braid to the next. If you research it some you'll see some are now made with polyester fibers, or something like that. In the future I'm going to try either the Berkely braid or the P-Line braid. I don't use braid on any spinning reel but my spook and it seems to do just fine. Everything else seemed to cone up on the spool too much for my liking.
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9:37 am
December 30, 2009
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andyfender
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Doug,
What line do you use?
Andy
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8:40 am
December 29, 2009
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OutdoorFrontiers
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dougw said:
Ohhhhh… I gotta purtty good idea of the what's n' why's…
Two set-ups create the most issues. Jig and c'rig – both baitcasters. Now it might be because I use those two alot. But on the jig I'm almost always pitching and almost never casting. When I'm pitching I'll use the rod to "guide" the jig if I'm off a little bit on the pitch. I'm probably wrappin' the tip on those times – at times.
When I'm fishing deep, 20'+ with a c'rig after the cast, and before the weight hits the bottom, I'll lift the rod up(with spool still disengauged), drop it real quick and put a loop in the line and let it lay in the water. Then I watch the loop. If it pulls out I do it again… and I keep doing this until the loop just lays there. Then I know my weight is on the bottom and went straight down. It's during the looping process that wrapping happens sometimes. Others, on a hook set where I get slack in the line with the rod straight up or close to it. But on a c-rig when the line wraps around the 2nd/3rd guide I don't have a clue. Sometimes when it does it… it really cinches up and at times is pretty hard to get undone.
Hmmm, it seems to me that if you leave the looping process alone, much of your issue will take care of itself.
The whole c-rig thing is odd though. That doesn't make any sense to me.
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7:15 pm
December 28, 2009
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dougw
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Ohhhhh… I gotta purtty good idea of the what's n' why's…
Two set-ups create the most issues. Jig and c'rig – both baitcasters. Now it might be because I use those two alot. But on the jig I'm almost always pitching and almost never casting. When I'm pitching I'll use the rod to "guide" the jig if I'm off a little bit on the pitch. I'm probably wrappin' the tip on those times – at times.
When I'm fishing deep, 20'+ with a c'rig after the cast, and before the weight hits the bottom, I'll lift the rod up(with spool still disengauged), drop it real quick and put a loop in the line and let it lay in the water. Then I watch the loop. If it pulls out I do it again… and I keep doing this until the loop just lays there. Then I know my weight is on the bottom and went straight down. It's during the looping process that wrapping happens sometimes. Others, on a hook set where I get slack in the line with the rod straight up or close to it. But on a c-rig when the line wraps around the 2nd/3rd guide I don't have a clue. Sometimes when it does it… it really cinches up and at times is pretty hard to get undone.
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