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10:30 am
June 22, 2010
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lilmule
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Doug thats all to true,quite a few problems exist with many boats ,be they composite or otherwise.One of the few wood boats I never had trouble with was a Ranger.
Many cicumvent their own design by routing cables drilling holes etc in stringers,so doesnt do much to encapsulate them,then we are fishermen come along and add things drill even more holes.The allison design however has never been known to delaminate,even with its encapsulated reinforced steel transom,so guess or my guess is what care is used in the boats actual making.
To my understanding that problem with your boat only existed for a short time,to bad yours was one of them,but quality control I think is much better with a custom builder than it is with the cookie cutters,they tend not to use their customers as guinea pigs.
And about the only thing that does go wrong with these custom boats be they allison or a different animal the lcb,are stress cracks,often brought on by placing huge motors on them and running in rough conditions.
My 1990 allison 2002 is relatively clear of them despite its racing days(107 in the 1/4,with a different powerhead) and a 3 L motor hanging off the end,allison does have a 3 L warning disavowing any warranty.
My biggest concern since they were big ol boys is the stress cracks minor they created around the cup holders.Big gulp drinkers they were.
Only time will tell on yours,but then again may not show for awhile,hopefully could possibly win a boat,at the nationals and sell it(reasonably) concidering its history.
Either case win or not Id think strongly about DITCHING IT,nothing personal.
Even going with an older boat like an allison xtb,21 ft more storage,than mine ,cost 5k to 8 without a mota, much older than yours ,yet quite sound. This one is 5700 think 89 model but made into the 90s,all composite,side steer like most,not a cc.
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12:09 pm
June 21, 2010
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lilmule
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Well finished hooking up all the hoses and rerouting them,it works could put a stump under the rear lower and make the boat do pushups.
Have a mess of wiring yet to redo,strap etc..neat if im in .8 of water can raise prop entirely above the pad,and idle out.
And should anyone ever desire it have some cash would sell and put a manual back on,just not going to advertise it.
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9:59 am
June 21, 2010
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dougw
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lilmule said:
…it will be another all composite boat that wont rot most likly…
my '95 Gambler is all composit…. and while they may not rot they sho'nuff will delaminate. But if you stay with Allison I 'spect you'll do just fine.
I sorta wish I'd been able to bring the 2007 Intimidator to Tenn. just so y'all could ride in/review it. Words simply can not describe what a poorly designed boat it is.
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9:31 am
June 21, 2010
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lilmule
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Engines problem was related to a blown head gaskit letting water sprinkle on number 6 piston,lucky in that a chunk ( I do mean chunk)that went out .also went out the SLIGHTLY ENLARGED exhaust ports.You can just about chuck an egg through them.
Porting is almost an understatement.
And yes its replacement will be tamer when that occurs,and should i ever change boats again(this one does lack storage and the more I hook up the less it has)it will be another all composite boat that wont rot most likly another allison but different model the no longer made xtb is in mind.
Most likly could trade even for one,as many want the lil 2002 as its the fastest lil critter around.
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7:49 am
June 21, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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Yeah, hydraulic jackplates can be amazing critters and help a lot with a boat's performance, but if you don't watch all the gauges, they can be a pain in the wallet….
You're lucky you didn't smoke that engine!
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Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media
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6:21 am
June 21, 2010
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lilmule
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Well without a low water nosecone or pickup somewhat limits how high one can go,wasnt ill I moved here that I ever put a bobs nose cone on.
As for ten in jackplates my second boat was an 81 in beam 15 ft skeeter bought a rite hite manual 10 in off a guy for 100 bucks,installed in it my backyard and had a 90 hp inline 6 tower of power,sitting on it,nope didnt sink it ran rather nice,every boat ive bought since then up to the glassport got that rite hite manual jp installed so got my use out of it.Sold it for 110 on ebay 15 years later.
Purchaced a rite hite 6 in hyd off Jay as thought so much of rite hite,found out was made by land and sea and they put their name on it,two months later was junk leaked like a sieve,so got the ten in bobs which one can easily work on if need be.
As for a difference in preformance about 3 to 5 mph on every boat it was installed on,at some point it wont gain speed but just spins,in the case of an allison it has a built in right hook when overtrim or over past grip comes in.
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10:15 pm
June 20, 2010
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dougw
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Mmmmm…. My first experience with a hyd. jack plate was with the hunk'o junk Gambler loaner boat. When i first got it I tried many different heights and many different water conditions. No matter where I put it I couldn't tell a real difference in ride nor performance. Well if I had it all the way up and the engine trimmed under it had a real slow hole shot. But I never felt a difference in ride nor performance. So the last 5-6 months I've been putting it where water pressure is decent and seldom touch it except when trailering in and out at the ramp. The one thing I did notice is if I raised it too high it would start dropping be bow and thus slowing down. When the prop is too high seems it can't hold the bow up on a gambler.
A funny story.
I'm on falcon lake making a long run coming back down the river. I decide to jack around with the jack plate…. So I'm runnin' and raising… running and raising… I see no speed gain nor rpm gain… I don't recall where I had it but I figured it was as good as it was gonna get. So I run that way for ohhhh….'bout 5 minutes. Then think to look at the water pressure – "0″ psi… Never got a heat alarm but did lower the jackplate until the water pressure registered around 10psi.
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9:27 pm
June 20, 2010
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lilmule
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My comp is creating a lot of the mispelling when I edit it prior to publishing,wish I could edit the post afterwards.
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9:25 pm
June 20, 2010
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lilmule
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Well most boats arnt capable of running pad level or evn above the pad slightly an allison or bullet for that matter is,speed is obtained thru less drag true,but with many boats not necessarilly an allison handling suffers.Again from what I can tell they handle finbe up high even like it trim down like trying to run the nose on teh water and they will be a handfull.
Yet with my previous ecperinces burying the prop deeper when its rough is a better ride,possibly leass prop venting,dont really know,but it kept teh jag from going airborne just by having it 2 1/2 under when it hit the fan,yet could run pad level for out and out speed when conditions warrented.
It is my hope that it will tend to go airborne less ,it does at 2/12 fters anything above 56 mph,3 fters 46-47 the jag could never have gone that slow without a bumpy ride the alley does fine under those speeds,hopefully it will enable me to bump up about 5 mph and still stay glued.
Think it also has something to do with raising the stern ,keeping nose rise to a min and it does help go over the hump so to speak,ayt least with prior boats it did.
And even with my prop shaft say 1 1/2 in below the pad ill bet its above that of your gambler.
Adding 4 in adds length to the boat and stability,must admit though that most that use a hydraulic jack plate are running 20 in shafts,im 15in.It does however create a rather low center of gravity.
The 2003 gets a factory installed 15 in one its 1 in longer and 5 in wider,hydraulic also has a better hole shot,and raising when skinny water is at hand like a shallow ramp.
Shooks boat has a 10 in jp,think the factory will install even larger as several running around with 12 and 14 in allison jp on them,possibly put on later dont know.The smallest they will put on is a 5 1/2 in one,next is the 8 in but almost as many running 10 in as 8.
They do look odd with a 20 in shaft with the motor way over the transom in the fly by pics,another reason im a low rider,and yet not a merc runner.OMC only made a 15 in lower for one year and one year only.The majority of them are found at or on racing circuits,so not a whole lot of setup info available.
As for improving the hole shot they did in all previous boats but doubt if it will do much for an alley that pops up in 1 sec anyway.
I dont plan on moving it around a lot will find where pad is at mark,run there till trailering or a need to jack up,but when that need happens it has the capability.As well as possible better handeling if it gets rough.
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8:38 pm
June 20, 2010
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dougw
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I dunno… I'm not caiming to be a set-up expert of any sort. But from what I've read and my own limited experience the deeper you drop the engine the harder it is to drive. I thought it was getting up fine before. Just curious why you figure deeper would be better?
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7:22 pm
June 20, 2010
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lilmule
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6 to 10 in is quite common on them,some go 12 in and a few 14,on jays 03 which is a tad bigger boat hes running 14,it had 6 in
Do wonder about how it will sit,as sat rather low anyway,figgure it will push more hull up than prior if that deep as measured the difference at the top engine height they had it between 1 in over ,not even as they had said
And when deep how high will the water be in relation to the motor as its a short shaft, will
have to check out,if need be can put a stop in at pad level,or just raise it in the holes,and raise when trailering or skinny dipping off plane
So even if i cant use it that deep it will still be usefull
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4:58 pm
June 20, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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Don't you think that 10″ of setback might be too much? That's the one thing I'd be wondering about.
Now, you need to get your outboard back and find out for certain!
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Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media
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1:27 pm
June 20, 2010
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lilmule
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Something to do,on a 97 deg day with a 105 heat index,and seems couldnt sell my bobs hydraulic jack plate so decided to install it.
The manual allison one was set for pad level,bobs has a built in 1 1/2 rise so didnt get as much as hoped for,due to the fact on the manual it had been the second set of holes I did gain that,and by being father back at an agle gained about 1/2 in there -down wise,so ended up with I think about 1 1/2 in under,havnt actually measured it as roller is in the way.
I used a maple tree in the side yard(shade) and an available 4 in limb,taking the old 6 in off was a chore(1 1/2 hr) no room to work,and its really a 5 in with a 1 solid billet spacer,then thinking I could reuse the spacer wasted about 1/2 hr,lip edge on the hydraulic keeps the spacers from lining up with the holes.After finding this out and not wanting to redrill installed the bobs on the alley took about 20 min as easy as pie to work with,will have to reroute some hoses and place the remote pump in tomorrow but the major work is out of the way.
What did I gain ,more stability as longer now,more setback,ability to raise when trailering and ability to run under the pad a lil.
Also have a 5 in manual allison that will sell now undoubtly for less money and the setback spacers.Being manual and much cheaper they should sell rather easily.
Later most likly will get a set of bobs spacers as the farther back it is the lower it will go on a 6 deg slope.Had wanted about 2- 2 1/2 under with a 4 in spacer would then get it,but that will have to wait.
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