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4:43 pm
August 24, 2010
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lilmule
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Ah even if it sits around someone will eventually post a wanted 15 in lower,if not a rebuilt box stock powerhead would suffive with them putting it on.Failure occured due to lack of water not from the nose cone as have measured it at less than 1/2 in above pad and 22 psi,but from water not getting to motor,thermostats hose or lack theroff as see no hose from block to heads,others came loose but the plastic melted into the threads and lines still present,that one is missing and no plastic in thread holes?
It was a partial rebuild,not a lot I could prove so wont be continued further,on a different note however is other rebuilders in the area are surprised no offer was made to repair or something.
And yes clued them as to who or whom,as somewhat disatified with the results,so wont be giving any recomendations at any rate.
But whats done is done,motor has to many hopups for the rebuild shops to want,so eventaully may part it out or reuse some of it with a stock powerhead.
In the mean time still looking for a stump jumper ol xlow to get around with.Cheap one at that.
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8:17 am
August 23, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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Lil Mule, you'll never know until you try to sell the outboard if you'll have to take it apart and piece it out, or if someone will agree to meet you someplace and buy the whole thing!
I understand you wanting the Ally to run again, but right now, you've got more time than money, try to figure out how to maximise both!
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Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media
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7:49 pm
August 22, 2010
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lilmule
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Ps often on sites like s and f they want part of it like pwoer head etc,im not eq to take it apart,physically able to and get to a carrier and ship, a buy it now and here wont work any better than local,if as well.
Paying a mechanic one would lose any profit made as they charge way to much to dissconnect its an hrs labor is all but they have a set fee.
The theres the possibility someone ordered and it wont fit,I wouldnt order a powerhead for that reason myself.I doubt if the avg mech could put one on it,with out a machine shop available or at hand.Even the lower has about 6 more bolt holes in than stock.
In short one needs to own a machine shop almost,bet three grand went into the machining,which also makes it unusable in many instances other than with whats on it.
A profeesional rebuild shop could,motor would need to be sent off repaired then await another tinkering mechanic to thwart all the above.
So living where I do,not being able to do my own work ,and do not trust local mechanics,need to lose it.
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7:35 pm
August 22, 2010
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lilmule
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Would agree but a 150 etc must wait 2 years min and then would spend 5 k on one cannot now,as for posting one has to upgrade memberships on the ones where it would sell,then be willing to crate and ship then possibly get a return due to cnc work.Am considering as low as a 90 hp just to get back on the water in the mean time just to put put nearby.
Would I be happy speed wise no,but cant change monetary status,so its a in the mean time option,without funds additional from elsewhere other than the old mota and maybe some trade items,even that 125 is currently three times the cash I would have available.
Just looking for a way to get back out cheap that runs,even something that does 50 mph is suitable for local nearby fishing,on an alley that equals anything from a 90 hp x flow on up.
As a result of whats occurred with this mota would not ever own a high preformance changed mota again due to mechanics here arnt qualified to clean it.
Soddy daisy different story,also 4 1/2 hrs away.And just not worth the extra ten mph contained in one over a stock when remote and not doing the work oneself.
I did and do like the shorty 15 in mid quite unusual in an omc,but not willing to go swimming with it and hang on to it,so one way or another will eventually part ways if not sooner.
A standard 20 in fitted with a bobs nose cone for higher operation box stock other wise,even when I replace with a bigger mota,yet dont really feel I need 200 hp when the time comes,4 mpg at wot 65 ish,full load two people,range 90 miles min on 24 gal,with my foot in it.
In that respect even a 115 ho etec(122hp) qualifies and above almost in speed but not quite possibly,yet weight is right ,unfortunately even they cost 10 k new.
That 88 model 125 would be just an option is all.Other options also include a 90 hp looper and a 115 x flow,both cheaper but farther away and need to be shipped.
Wont stop looking until I find one and its mine,then mount then look for another bigger better one,used to call it window shopping till one actually bought something.
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4:14 pm
August 22, 2010
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OutdoorFrontiers
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I definitely understand you wishing to get the Ally back on the water under gas power. However, I don't think a Force outboard would do anything close to what you want for an outboard.
What you need to do is list the motor on some of the gofast websites like Doug said, and find out how much your motor is worth as it sits right now. I dunno, list it at $1,000 or best reasonable offer and see what offers you have. YOu might sell it quick, you might not.
But then, once you have that gone, you'll have a better idea of what you can afford. Plus, with fall coming up, a lot of boats that have gotten some use this summer will be up for sale. You might be able to find a 140 – 150 hp outboard within your price range.
I think it'd be a mistake to run a Force outboard on your Ally, and I used to own a Force outboard!!!
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10:41 am
August 22, 2010
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lilmule
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Yeah after I posted tha looked stats up as well 21 p is about all they make however they do make hubs for them,on an ally it shouldbe able to run a 22 or possibly a 23 depending upon blade length,and run 62-64 mpg with 7 percent slip,equal to about a 20 ft triton with a 200 hp on it,or close,5500 rpm limit.
Thanks didnt know if 3 per hp was kosher,and dont really want to bebuild it as is and have some mechanic screw it up again was tuned with dual pot,and I really should have installed them on the boat for viewing,would have known by the time I was at no wake zone wasnt ok.
600 beats nothng sitting there,as for parting out yes but most of it is cnc and wont always fit wthout doing machine work ,plus would have to upgrade my membership on s and f as cannot post for sale items under current membership.
Other wise a powerhead switch would be viable,as is afraid Id get one off and the other would take 300 bucks of machine shop work and req taking it apart,even the lower has extra allen set screws in it due to above 100 mph usage,previously.Nitrous bottle now removed.
Suspect this is the powerhead they used ,just replaced heads so lower compression,exhaust port is oblong and one could toss two eggs thru it,small size maybe med,hardboilded.
It is wild looking but not worth the ride,or expense of keeping mechanics at arms length.
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10:09 am
August 22, 2010
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dougw
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I 650.00 is what I got for my toasted 200 last year. If I were you I'd check on scream n' fly and some of the other go fast sites and see if you can part it out for more than 6-700.00.
The the force has a 15 spline shaft – from what I read. The reason I question the availablility of a prop is most times when I'm looking at pro specs it's "…. 140hp and up…" I'm thinking the shaft is going to be smaller on the 125 than it is on the 150's. Could be wrong though. However I did look up a prop for a force 125 on iboats.com and the highest they went was 21p. BUT!!! they did offer a 10p as well!!!
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10:02 am
August 22, 2010
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lilmule
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Dont think its an issue for normal usage of put puting,and most allison record holders had like 1.61 or 1.62 gearing,is shaft different and not same splines.
As for year of mfg you were right its earlier numbers show its an 88, 1251×88
local pickup only near knoxville,almost where i bought the alley at
My first first outboard was a 45 hp chrysler,parts might be an issue.Dont have the money right now anyway but dangled a set of antique china out to see If they bite-they resell stuff.
Gravy boat for a boat motor lol.
Would any of you guys sell the blown outboard 200 for say 6 or 7 hundred,thats what they pay locally?
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3:57 am
August 22, 2010
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dougw
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An issue may be getting a prop for it that will work. According to the limited research I've done on it Force did not produce a 125 hp outboard in 1990. 1989 was the last year for them. Also… gear ratio was 1.73:1 making it difficult to turn larger props. From what I read it is advisable to get the L/U from a 90hp and do a swap. The 90 hp had a 2:1 ratio.
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10:43 pm
August 21, 2010
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lilmule
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Dunno 1990 force 125 hp,in tn,have to see how much the buyer would give me for mine,or sell locally.Local its generally 3 bucks a hp but my 15 in mid alone is worth about 1500.
Figgure even that would push the alley 60 ish,120 psi all cyl.
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