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2:41 pm
September 2, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Well, it seems to be running good.  I suppose we could give that TRO4 a try.  I'm thinking that maybe Wednesday we should take a run down to 179 and see if them bass are in the pads yet.  And if they're not there, we should then try working the creek channel and the bridge with c-rigs, Recoil Rigs and what ever other deep stuff we can think of.  We could also run up to the RR bridge and see if there's any weed growth there as well.


I did get a reply from Optima.  Even though I told them that I didn't have the receipt and the place I bought the batteries from is out of business, they simply told me that I need my receipt or need to take it back to where I bought them.


So once more, I repeated the details of the sale, and if they decide that they're not going to honor the warranty, then I'll give it to them with BOTH barrels and NEVER buy another Optima product.  And I will make sure that as many other people know about their lack of customer support as I possibly can.  So I'm giving them one more chance to do the right thing.  Then the gloves come off….  Yell

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2:24 pm
September 2, 2010


lilmule

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If its running good swing by we will slp the tro 4 on it for you to try,othrwise will list next week on a gofast.Hard to beat you can try before buy.

8:11 am
September 2, 2010


lilmule

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Oh and they have enough design problems without adding a belt and pully system alternator,that merc can have all to its own.

8:06 am
September 2, 2010


lilmule

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Yeah can see that could happen like that a clean break,so to speak.Driving an old dodge it started missing popped the hood and distrubtor wire center was completely put on top and it was arching across the plastic and still running,nedless to say moved it off road turned off then put it back in.

If you had asked me if it would run with the distrubtor center feed wire off id have said no,rudes in general are like that dodge can cut a wire in two inside the cable,no visable signs yet apart yet seeks its own way to fire,with bad plug wiring can even kill the motor every time the hood is put on,yet run fine with it off.The shielding in the newer replacement wont last as long either.

The when they do go electronically take everything in line in sucession,one after the other,stator then regualtor.

Hopefully no more problems with the rude,may have solved it.

4:41 am
September 2, 2010


dougw

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LM…. All the Mercs I have owned have been fuel injection models until this 2009 which is direct injection. That is probably the "why" they could run centerfire plugs. But the Flinch…. I mean Fitch was direct inject so it should'a been able to run the center fire plugs.


When the air pump pulley bolts sheared on the loaner boat it effectively killed the alternator. What happened on that one is the engine just started slowing down. No miss or anything like that – just no power and no rpms. As the voltage in the battery got lower n' lower… so did the rpms!

11:08 pm
September 1, 2010


lilmule

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Doug a lot of omc will foul out a non gap or surface gap plug in a heartbeat,they always did foul if used at low speeds sooting up the port side on the old x flows in just a couple miles of trolling and later models were equal in sooting but less overall.Ficht souldnt have been a surprise from a motor that generates soot at low engine speeds its doomed to failure or was,providing one didnt do much low speed stuff most didnt have trouble,and generally was the larger hp  like 225 and 250.

Fuel problem since solved but any omc isnt something one should buy to go waylleye trolling with,for that one needs that lil kicker motor.

Bet it was the spark available,as powerpack gets its from the battery,they take more power than the engine makes to start,guessing around 400 amps other wise turn over all day long and not hit a lick,figgure the regulator supplying voltage was working hard,due almost none available at battery after starting.let alone recharging.

Ive sent a few nasty grams myself

And sometimes the alternaitive is cheaper like that orange carrot stix rod,better now than when they made it and the price was right.

8:35 pm
September 1, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Well, when I bought them, I was buying them on the reputation of their performance and warranty.  Well, so far, I don't really have any problem with the performance, but I'm wondering about their warranty.


I did send an email to Optima, and I've already received a response from Mary Jo, one of their customer service reps.  I answered the questions she asked, and now I'm waiting to hear back from her.

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5:39 pm
September 1, 2010


dougw

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Oh… and… on the optima delima….. That sucks! I read the specs on the Optimas and for the life of me couldn't figure out why I'd want to spend that much money on a battery. They just didn't come across as that much better than the wet cells I've been using for years.

5:36 pm
September 1, 2010


dougw

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Good deal Lucille! Probably it wasn't any of those things! LOL…. I'd put my money on the battery.. or the spark plug gap…. no wait…. the fuel line!


Word of caution… unless you use ethanol free fuel all the time… make dang sure the fuel line you used is rated for ethanol.


The last time I had an outboard that had gapable plugs was in 1995 – my last OMC engine. All the mercurys that I've had, '96 225 Pro Max, '95 200 Xri, and 2009 225 Pro XS all use centerfire non-gapable plugs. Kept the Pro Max 5 years and nev'a put a plug in it.

4:17 pm
September 1, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Well, the miss is gone, but I'm not 100% sure what solved the problem as I did three things.


I re-gapped all six sparkplugs to the correct 0.30 gap.


I changed the cracked fuel line from the primer bulb to the outboard.  The filter I didn't replace as it was VERY clean.


And, after this morning, I changed the starting battery.  I tried to launch it yesterday morning, only to find the starting battery was dead.  So, I took it home and checked the battery.  It was reading low, and I thought maybe the onboard charger wasn't doing it's job.  So I put on my automatic charger onto the Optima battery and it started charging.  By this morning, it was totally charged and raring to go.


So, once again, I headed to Paris Landing, boat in tow.  I got to the landing on Kentucky Lake, readied the boat and backed it down to the water.  Thinking ahead, I put it in only far enough for the motor to be started, but not so far that the boat would slide off the trailer.


Climbing in, I hit the key and absolutely NOTHING happened, again!!!  Yell


I stopped at a friend's place in Paris, TN and looked up Optima Battery's website.  I found four dealers in Paris and started calling.  ALL of them said the same thing.  "If you want it replaced under warranty, take it back to the place you bought it!" 


I explained that I bought the battery in northern Wisconsin and that it would "only" take 14 hours of high speed driving one way in order to do that.  They ALL said, "Well, you should have thought of that when you bought the battery."  Even after I explained that I LIVED there at the time and didn't know I was going to be living in Tennessee, they didn't cut me any slack and refused to honor the six months remaining on the warranty.


So I went to Wal-Mart and bought a marine starting battery.  And have sent a very polite "Nasty-Gram" to Optima.


But, I did go back to the lake and tried out the boat.  It started perfectly, and ran perfectly smooth throughout the entire power range.  So maybe it was just a very weak battery??? 


On another note, my bow locator had been giving me trouble lately.  Every time I stepped on the trolling motor power switch, the screen would fuzz out.  And the digital temperature wasn't reading exactly correct.  It showed that the water was -0.6 degrees farenheit!  Confused


So while I was farting with the multi-meter yesterday, I unscrewed the bow panel and discovered the power cord had a crack in the insulation.  I wrapped that up in electrical tape and now not only does my locator screen remain clear, it showed me that the surface temperature of Kentucky Lake is 83.6 degrees.  So it's cooling down nicely.


I'm thinking that a trip to Hole # 179 might be in order soon!  Surprised

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2:13 pm
August 30, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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No, I really need to get the boat in the water and test it out.  Maybe I'll do that in the morning.

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10:24 am
August 30, 2010


lilmule

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Any luck finding what it was yet?

May not have a spare coil soon,as looking at another motor,with a possible tradein.

A 150 hp sitting down in lawrenceburg just below us,about nashville distance away.

2:24 pm
August 28, 2010


lilmule

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Theres aslo a cheap lil tool one hooks to all the plugs after  taking out that each one that worked lights up a lil light,when someone turns the motor over via the key.

Tells one right off what cyl,switch coil leads and restest if good them most likly the coil,possible bad plug every now and then but dont figgure you had the same ones since it was built.

But providing it shows on the plug when removed like Doug said wont be needed.

9:19 am
August 28, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Well, if that's the problem, then I'll know who to come to for a coil!  :)

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7:47 pm
August 27, 2010


lilmule

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Bet yours uses a 35 amp system ive got spare coils.

7:36 pm
August 27, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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That's a good idea!  If this "fix" doesn't work, I'll see about giving that a try….


Heck, I'm going to do something, now let's just see if it's right…

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5:50 pm
August 27, 2010


dougw

Texas

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I dunno… could have a coil breaking down…. IF you can replicate the problem next time out do this:

Run the rpm where the miss occurs. Try to run it at that speed for a couple of minutes. Now the tricky part – be close to the ramp. After a few minutes of running in the affected rpm range – pull the kill switch n' troll back to the ramp. Now… pull the plugs and see if you can detect one that is wet/darker than the rest of'em…. If you do then you have identified the problem cylinder. At that point you could swap coils with from other cylinders on the engine then run the test again on the water pulling the kill switch at the end and checking plugs again. "IF" the problem follows the coil then you've got a pretty good idea of what the problem may be and where it may be.


I'm not "up" on OMC's at all and jest barely so on Merc.'s, only 'cause I've owned one for the last 16 years. There may be other compontents, such as switch boxes, that you could swap side for side, to see if you can get the problem to follow a particular part/compontent. It's a pain in the ba'hutt to do it this way but it's a lot cheaper than what they charge at a marina to diagnose problems like this.

4:20 pm
August 27, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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Yesterday, when I was running hither and yon all over the lake, and heading back to the ramp, I noticed that my 1998 Evinrude 225 Vindicator was missing whenever I got the rpms over 4,000.  It didn't do that any other time during the day and idled fine coming into Paris Landing.


When I got home, I pulled the cowl and checked the spark plugs.  They're supposed to have 0.30 gaps.  All of them were above, at 0.38 to 0.45.  But the plugs themselves looked fine, with a light coat of brown/tan.  So, I regapped the plugs and set them all back to 0.30 (as per the sticker on the motor).


Then I noticed that my fuel line leading from the bulb to the motor had a couple cracks.  So thinking back, if my boat sat for a week, I needed to pump up the primer bulb.  But the boat ran fine.


Well, today I replaced the bulb and the fuel line, and while I was at it, I checked the fuel filter.  It's nice and clean, and I can easily blow through it.


Can you guys think of anything else that might cause the motor to miss that I should check???

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