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9:46 am
March 15, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Id ask for what money I could get back without getting another boat from him,but thats me.

Doesnt mean he would be willing,or that id accept what he said,but just dont see how paying that much for one would help,seems like hes recouping some lost money via a new sales.

And if they dont back the old boat with defects what makes one think a new one will be better.

No doubt its a mess,you wanting a boat under your feet thats yours quickly doesnt help it any,never does ,been there done that,generally regretted it.

8:49 am
March 15, 2010


dougw

Texas

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Well the 833,wasnt any work that went bad and is seperate id take the 4500 and run,along with anything there I owned,as for pricing you can get a boat with a motor from a private person for that kind of money.My opinion hes getting his 4500 back in that deal.Like the legend hull I put in the post with pics above,its like new rigged ready,it would easily pass even the souped triton.Yet a triton hull isnt a bad fishing platform,each to his or her own,guess you just have to make up your mind is all.

The problem with that deal is it's my 4500.00 we're talking about and thus far has only been offered as part of a deal that ends up putting me in debt to the tune of 31K for a 5 year old Gambler hull with a 2009 225 Pro XS on it…. Not exactly what I'd call a to die for deal. Plus the engine n' derigging would never had been done were it not for the repairs so I consider it a package deal… If the dealer wants to keep the 833.95 he's gonna have to get right on the hull and then I may consider it. I need to come in under what those boats are selling for today so I can sell it while not taking a beating and get myself into some other boat…

7:30 am
March 15, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Well the 833,wasnt any work that went bad and is seperate id take the 4500 and run,along with anything there I owned,as for pricing you can get a boat with a motor from a private person for that kind of money.My opinion hes getting his 4500 back in that deal.

Like the legend hull I put in the post with pics above,its like new rigged ready,it would easily pass even the souped triton.

Yet a triton hull isnt a bad fishing platform,each to his or her own,guess you just have to make up your mind is all.

7:05 am
March 15, 2010


dougw

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After talking with several guys in my ABA district and lookin' at a few boats closer than I had before I'm really leaning towards the following 3 hulls that are listed in no particular order at this time. As or if the time comes to make a decision I'll have researched them a little more and will probably then be able to put them in some kind of choice order.

1.) Statos 201

2.) BassCat

3.) Champion

I know Champion may or may not be around much longer and this will carry some weight. Not that I care about warranty or anything like that. But I'd think trying to sell a boat that is no longer in production may be a tad difficult.


If I can get the dealer to give me a stellar deal on the 2100 I may go that route and then turn around a sell it. I'm still researching prices on the 2005 2100. On his web site he's asking 36,900. for it with an 2006 250 Pro XS. What I'm seeing on the internet is prices almost 10,000.00 less than his asking price. I suspect that was the asking price when he put it on his web site nearly 2 years ago…. Might of been worth it then. On NADA it average retails for 27,250 B/M/T. Low retail is 23,880. The engine average retail is 7,775 and low retail is 6,800. The latest offer has him pricing the B/M/T @ 27k then taking low retail, 6k, off for the engine. So now he wants 21k for the boat and trailer less 4,500 I paid for the glass repair(he wants to keep the 833.95 paid for removing engine and hyd. steering and batteries) which brings the total to 17k for me. Does not appear to be a good deal for me!

11:19 pm
March 14, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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10:45 pm
March 14, 2010


lilmule

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How about this 

2003 legend 202dc dominator with 225 mercury pro max sportmaster the boat has 2 depth finders cdplayer lots of storage deck ext 24 volt 65lb minn kota 12″ jackplate runs gps around 80 mph single axle trailer red gold with black bottom tan carpet with red and tan seats whole rig is like new boat looks like it hasnt been used hate to sell will post pics soon can also email call for any info 229-457-1554 Thanks Luke

16,500

10:39 pm
March 14, 2010


lilmule

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Well for getting a pro sport or bass sport for that kind of money yeah id say sol,you did miss a great buy on its link  or preceding model  a 21 xtb.basicly a single console off to teh drivers side,about all they did was add the other console 93 model 6 k was sharp.Fastbass lasted like 3 days.

There was one last year as well from a dealer near here,went for 7.5 with a 200 uki on it,so there are some models that have a bit more storage than say a 2002 or 2003,one just has to keep an eye out.

But keep in mind even a bassport model one has to drive it ,more so than any triton ever built.

Would I be leary of him yeah,id get what I can out it and forget.

Stratos 201,Basscat,for 17 one can buy a fairly decent used allison,out of those two leads on 2002 they are now gone at least one is,going back to look as saw one for about 17 k thought that was over what you would want to spend.

9:08 pm
March 14, 2010


dougw

Texas

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Well really the only Allisons I'd consider would be the BassSport or ProSport lines… And I can't get one for what I'm willing to pay I bet.


The reason The X series Trition won't hit but 69-72 is the hull…. It's designed for rough water conditions. It planes out quick and rides good. They make the TR-21 xHP that'll run(so I've been told) 82 but the dealer also told me you do "… have to drive it at that speed)…. he followed up by saying not everyone is capable of driving that boat at that speed.


The dealer that has my boat called Friday while I was prefishing. He's made his initial offer though he has not seen the letter I sent him. As it stands right now he's wanting to sell me a 2005 Gambler 2100 hull/trailer less engine for around 17k. This particular boat has been on his showroom floor for over a year that I know of and it could be 2 years or better. There's a reason why I'd suspect. I'd still consider it but his initial asking price is so high I think there's too much difference between what he thinks it's wort and what I think it's worth for a deal to ever take place on that bot.


On the loaner boat I have…. Saturday the bow Lowrance sonar quit working. Today after I trailered out… one trim tab will not retract. That had to happen right at the ramp as I was trailering out. I had just made the haul'butt run back to the ramp and if that trim tab had been down….. that Intimidator would of been runnin' on the rub rail! And I'm willing to consider a 2100 of the same year??? Someboddies slap me!

9:40 am
March 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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No offence taken,they arnt as wide a back deck,as for the wetness some or mostly due to me either going up on top when i shouldnt have or staying down when i should have gone up.

I never had to run much rough water back in ohio,so all new to me.

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I have yet to take it over 70 here,got it to 68 one day by myself and started bouncing like a richochet bullet,from one wave to another about ten deg apart.

I may never ever learn how to run high speed here,but know I can run it 43mph fairly safely in 3 fters, in 2 -2 1/2fters 60mph,the jag takes 52 to top them out or it beats one badly, ,and thats really all I need to be able to run say 40 miles and back.

The tr20 or 21 is a good choice,has much needed things like handling fishability and not bad speed overall,yours rides nice,and ive seen it do mid sixties with me in it with you,and the lake kicking up a tad.

8:52 am
March 12, 2010


OutdoorFrontiers

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LOL, I've gotten wet more often riding with Lil Mule than anyone else I've ever shared a boat with.  Now granted, I've only fished Kentucky Lake with Lil Mule and one other guy, so my experience is somewhat limited in scope! 

The only thing about Allison is they don't seem to me to be as co-angler friendly as other boats.  Yes, they do have a reputation for being fast, yes, they do offer a decent ride in the rough stuff, and they're definitely built well with a great deal of attention paid to fit and finish.  It might be that I'm basing my experience on two Allisons that I've fished from, but (no offense Lil Mule) that's the way I see it. 

Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see a lot of storage space in them, plus the back deck wouldn't normally be described as spacious.  But that's just me.  I know there's a lot of guys that are very pleased with their boats, and their cool factor is almost off the scale!

I'm surprised that 69-72 mph is all you can expect from a Triton 21XS.  I've got a 1998 Triton TR-21 with a 225 Evinrude Vindicator (same year) and it pushed me to a little beyond 70 mph with a full load last fall.  And I know that my boat isn't even close to dialed in and the prop could use some work.  You'd think an extra 25 hp would push the boat faster….

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8:15 am
March 12, 2010


lilmule

Buchanan,Tn

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Actually while the triton has a decent ride ive also been beaten to death by several in them that either had one speed and one trim or didnt know what to do or use,one guy I mentioned after four airborne attempts that trim down to cross boat wakes would help,he said wa.

So its driver as well as boat,the allison will go airborne fairly easy as its a light hull,however it has a soft landing,much softer than any ive ever came down in.

As for speed my 200 runs it over 80 capable with a 27 p ,for a single run over 90 with a 29 p,the triton tr21 with a 225 on it will do 67,serup by a dealer like c and o marine.

When your talking 20-21 ft most arnt speed demons,a bullet would be,and an allison ,while stokers are normally classed the same they arnt it takes a 300 hp to get any out of them.

It would run about the same as the triton.

But what are your minimal requirements think about them handling ,distance,speed at least over 50 preferably to 60,and if one can do 60 mph for an hr and a half what else do you really need.

Regardless if one had a boat that did 90 all day long someone would have a faster boat or like here launch from a different ramp(not your T someone elses) closer and beat you to a hole.

Fishability,deck etc,allison has no front storage compartments,yet strap a 150 hp on it and will pass that triton with a 225 hanging off of it,as they run mid 70s with just about any 150 merc.

Most of your larger boats weigh quite a bit,and take more hp to push them but for reusing what motor you have a tr20 would do it nicely and run about 2-3 mph faster than a tr21.

11:21 pm
March 11, 2010


dougw

Texas

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Yeah I know you can hang some high winding 2.5's on those hulls and do some wicked things in them or if your aren't careful have 'em do some wicked things to you.


I don't know that I'm over the "need fer speed" but I do know my need has never exceeded about 97mph. 80-85 and I'm quite happy. Recently thinking hard about a 21XS triton but just don't know if I deal with a 250 Pro XS pushing a boat only 69-72mph.


I do know I've grown pretty weary of getting beat-to-death in moderate to heavy stuff that was the trait of my old Gambler….

9:46 pm
March 11, 2010


lilmule

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PS Shook ran a 280 drag motor on a 2002,but i dont consider that safe or 116 mph safe.

9:35 pm
March 11, 2010


lilmule

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Some put them on them but they have a 3 litre warning voids any warrenty on an older boat their is none but they say that for a reason as the weight high up makes them squirrly.

They also have a 400 or 408 weight motor restriction and a recomendation of 150 hp but no one pays att to that ,most have 2.5 litre mercs on them,im an oddball with a johnny rude 200.(weight right at 408-15-as shorty)

But with that hull one really doesnt neeed the additional hp they go mid 70s with a merc 150,several 95 models from 7k to 10 k and one 2000 for 12k.

Screamnfly and fastbass.

A 2003 has a tad longer keel and is recomended 440 weight 175 hp,it also has a 3L warningbut many put them on anyway as the transom is strong as an ox,its on there mostly due to possible swamp or handling problems.

About the only ones that dont have that limitation are the sport models like pro sport etc ,and much more costly.

So in effect I wouldnt put that 3.0   on a 2002 or 2003,trade it for a smaller yes or look at other brands as they are like one president nick named tricky dicky.

It doesnt take much to fly in one ,sawing atarts at about 56,ph,more input than any ive ever driven,what it really takes once one gets it up is a landing zone,as harder to get down than up ,do it slowly take foot off throttle abruptly and can launch a passenger,as boat hooks sharp to the right.So its not for everyone.

Feels like a 17 ft boat as narrow,runs like a 20 ftr in waves,leaps tall buildings in a single bound,more powerfull than a locomotive,yeah its a rush.Also scares the living daylights out of me learning at times what it can and shouldnt do.

I took it out in a wind storm attempting to find out what it would  do,went out in 3 fters came back off plane in 5 fters,and had steve facing rearward,not only to keep drier but think he didnt want to see how high they were over the boat.Had I any sence would have parked it on the other sides ramp and walked back over the bridge and got truck and trailer.

Be as it may it got us in,regardless of the idiot behind the wheel.

5:51 pm
March 11, 2010


dougw

Texas

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will those hulls accept a 3.0L Merc. I know some years weren't happy with a big block on the back of them… But I am considering allison in my search… Thanks!

10:24 am
March 11, 2010


lilmule

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I do iknow of two different 95 model composite xb 2002 are for sale,one yellow one sharp,10 k setup for a merc,other a red one for 7k and can have a merc 225 efi for additional 5 k.

Both are on scream n fly

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