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8:28 am
December 20, 2009
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lilmule
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Oh and leaving the regular intake fill livewell pump on here when shallow,even with it on a timer produces a toolbox livewell,thus why I like to recirculate.It didnt come quite that dirty,but agree with them not being real fishermen, as it had a 36 pd thrust motor ,and while they fished out of it,was setup for running not fishing.
Now has a 70 pd,troller,wind no problem,can run forward in 35-40 mph wind,just dont like being out in it.
Another inkling as to what I want out of the boat,to get me there and get me back,could care less if I never top even 80.Time being an issue one has to their run in say in less than an hr,its about a 45 min drive to my favorite hole by water havnt a clue,as the jag and another person and gear to start with would never have gotten me there,couldnt have topped them out as top speed was 54 to close to the needed 52 in it,let alone come back with full livewells.
Even if I have to come back at 40-44 mph in the alley,its still making it back,the jag would beat one to death at 44mph.Yet rides smooth t over 52,its just the water here.
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8:07 am
December 20, 2009
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lilmule
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Ive had them on both the back and or sides,to me as well on the back one should lose some water coming on plane.
Running a 4 blade 27 Pitch,quite easily I might add can overrev,a little.and to the contrary of that other board, allison said put more prop below the pad when rough.What I want out of the allison is to be able to run 30 miles,and back at a higher speed than the jag could ever do,anything over 55 in other words,when double loaded.This rough water required the jag to doing 52mph to keep it smooth,less speed it was a rough ride,the alley does fine less say 36 to 45,then started going airborne if around 3 fters,but less its ok.I do miss that faster ride in the rougher stuff,and all the storage and huge livewells,(currently still own the jag).But am altering the alley some for storage,via custom built ones,and the livewell while not large is or will do making it small only when having to share it with a draw pard.
Until I get more seat time when 2 1/2 to 3 just have to be satisfied with 36 to 44 mph,calmer water can run 60 plus.There again having to get used to the prop oscillation and the boat wanting to fall off the pad to the right,jag doesnt do this at 62 or 63(top speed single light load),alley starts it at 55.
So one has to saw a bit on the wheel,small jerks to the left to correct.
So its a get aquanted time I guess,until I figgure out what she and I both can do safely,here.
And here is odd in many respects ran a 19 1/2 boat previously put it on ky lake and it ran rougher than crap,as they are real close together the spacing of the waves and three directions at once.I had to unlearn a lot and relearn a lot just to be able to run on it.
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4:04 am
December 20, 2009
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dougw
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On my Gambler the overflow is on the side. Was it on the side on the Jaguar?
When/IF I get my Gambler back I'm adding pump-out capabilities. Instead of adding a diverter valve on the recirc. I'm adding another pump/switch.
I'm guessing here but judging by the appearance of the Ally livewelll the I'd say the previous owner wasn't a fisherman. Looks like the bottom of a tool box more than a livewell – but it'll clean up fine.
I remember your post on "the other" board. Seems no one could really get a grasp on what you were wanting from the Allison. If you wanted to put a mast n' main sail on it it'd be fine with me! I wonder what it'd do with say a 27″ 5 blade?
Back to the livewell. Here's a thought…. If you raise the overflow by adding a pipe you could put 2 90 degree fittings on it and have the overflow facing down. That might help if water loss by sloshing was an issue.
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9:53 pm
December 19, 2009
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lilmule
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Yup fairly low in that livewell at that,couple of inches one would have a very high angle getting on pad to lose anything,most of my other boats had it on the back and near the top that would be 8 inches higher,figgure it was done that way so a bass wouldnt hop out and go away.
Weird thou how recirc isnt recir at all its air and from that screened area in the bottom,thus another pump as like both a recirc (on a timer)and air,many years ago used the fill one like you do and on a timer but not everywhere do I want fresh water coming in,shallow one kicks up mud and like to see whats in my livewell.
I run my allison a bit different than most,have a whale tail and a four blade prop and it takes off with very lil altitude on the front end.
Actually the 27 pitch shooter takes off with less than even the tro4,but use the tro 4 mostly as has better slip factor and gets better gas miles.
Going to experiment a bit later with a 29 P shooter.World of difference how those props run on a light boat versus a heavy one,a shooter will run higher closer to the pad than a tro4 will on a heavy boat,both however run equal to the pad on a light one.
Thanks for the input.
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7:02 pm
December 19, 2009
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dougw
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Couple of questions and comments.
Is that black grommet looking thingee the over-flow? If it is and you extended it 1 1/2″ you may slosh water out on the hole shot. For sure you'd over-flow some of the livewell capacity everytime you took off.
If you extend it by inserting a pipe you will reduce the over-flow capabilities and probably over-flow the livewell if you forget the fill pump is running.
If you can get to the the outside of the livewell at the overflow you may want to remove the existing setup then use pvc bulkhead/thru hull fittings. Bring it up to the desired height then when a combination of 90 deg. fittings and straight pipe route the overflow opening to either the side of the live well or to the front of it – anywhere but the back.
Where the overflow exits the hull if there's a way to increase the size of that fitting from 3/4″ to 1″, without a lot of modification, you would be less likely to overflow the livewell due to forgetting the fill pump is running.
Now I've never "forgotten" my fill pump is running but… that's only because the bilge pump comes on to remind me!
Other'n that your first idea of inserting a pipe is about the only way I'd know of increasing the water depth.
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4:44 pm
December 19, 2009
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lilmule
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My motor weighs only about 408,they actually put 260 and 280 mercs on them what do they weigh about 550? Suspect some floatation will help that a tad even though most will be high.
And its already hooked to a hose merely be extendding inteior hole,if it leaks by it ,going out the overflow hose early,instead of building it up.Figgured on using that hard caulk ive gotten fond of.Easier to get back out,if needed.
1 1/2 wouldmake it 12 in x30x12,guess its because they wanted a small livewell due to wanted speed
I checked while it would be tight and one couldnt inflate it all the way a baskit ball or volleyball will fit in side the back portion of the hyd jackplate,merely deflate,place then inflate,theiirs a hy cyl inbetween the boat and the plate,so wont come in contact with any moving part.(shouldnt but have to try it before saying absolutely.
It all helps
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12:19 pm
December 19, 2009
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OutdoorFrontiers
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I think that adding a couple more inches of water to the livewell is probably a good idea, anything that helps keep the fish alive is a good thing.
Although I wonder if you want to add more water weight to the rear of the boat? You don't have a whole lot of freeboard at the stern as it is, at least not with my chubby butt back there!
I suppose that you could add the pipe and just put a silicone seal around it to prevent leaking into the bilge. Then give it a try with someone on the back deck to see how it sits in the water. That way, if it was too much weight, you could pop the pipe out and go back to the factory standard gallonage. Then if the added weight isn't too much, you can epoxy the pipe in and make it more permanent.
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10:29 am
December 19, 2009
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lilmule
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Well I for one would like to add another pump for recirc, and a divider (available from Allison) for 38 dollars. And add a couple inches more water before overflowing. I think that can be done adding a two in extension to exiting one.
Id like to mention that the Allison factory also gave me some setup tips for rough water. They went along my own thought pattern and not with the common belief.
It seems the 2002 runs better in rough water with the prop below the pad, not even.
So guess ill have to put the hydr jackplate on later to get between 1 and 2 below.
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10:13 am
December 19, 2009
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OutdoorFrontiers
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This sounds like a job for "SUPER DOUG" 
I'd have to think about this more. I'm sure I could "Redneck Engineer" something, but Doug usually has some good ideas.
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Steve Huber Editor in Chief/Executive Producer OutdoorFrontiers Multi-Media
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8:36 am
December 19, 2009
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lilmule
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Bit dirty as have no provision currently to wash or rince,this is the oddest livewell ive ever seen,water comes in at the bottom if the tube is under the water,recirc is an oxygenerator that puts bubbles out the screen in the bottom,that plasitc line wasnt long enough,figgured it went in that 1/4 hole,which just goes into the boat itself.Not near deep enough overflow starts at 10 1/2 in.
Plan on extending it,via a tube and cemented so it wont leak,adding another pump with a spigot on top for spray recirc and washdown.
I have seen another pic of a livewell it had like a Faucet or spigot right where that 1/4 hole is at?
Any suggestions as to the remake.Livewell is a 12 in x 30 and want it at least 12 in deep not 10 1/2.
 
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