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If i wanted to scare you id take you for a boat ride,if I wanted to kill you would use a knife not a gun.

Was just something to say keep close to breast.If asked where say south if asked how far south say past birdsong,if asked what on say frogs and what type of pattern say alternate vegetation.

Its all true yet nondefinitive,could also lend you a crigged buzzbait tellem that they will never believe a word you say anymore and yes have caught bass on them just as my dbbb.Famous line when asked I caughtem all on my crigged buzzbait,noone believed a word of it,yet true.

Best way not to tell anyone is to tell the truth in such a way its not believeable.

Just so you get an inkling of understanding,go below a dam,the 1/2 oz weight permits one to toss 20 yards farther and the swift water still keeps the buzzbait on top.Its all in the mind crig one thinks bottom.

And the dbbb looks like a buzzbait used on top.it isnt, its used as a spinnerbait ,the large ones ,you couldnt keep on top long due to their small blades.

So what one thinks or relates to isnt always what is true.

Most of the time when we are worming even in 22 ft of water its with unweighted worms,mostly senkos.Tell someone that your worming 22 ft of water they immeadiately think crig or tex.

So when ya come here GET YER MIND RIGHT,OR YOU WILL GO HOME BONKERS.

ALTERNATE VEGETATION

CRIGGED BUZZBAITS

DBBB

DEEP WATER WORMIN

AND DAT HUMP TIS A LEDGE

There is deeper water that works for us out on the main lake,never wasted my time back in hole 189 as to busy culling.Small bridge in the bay as a road crosses it.Like 50 ft wide there,and deeper water,have never caught much in that area either.

No not bass bay slightly less than half way to it,wont disclose online as have a bunch of people mostly in ky that want to know where it  is.

Directly out from bass bass though there are or is a series of ledges(humps) that are decent,but that bite is 12 to 14 lbs at best then.And it akes a really good ledge(hump) fisherman to get that.

Im putting some jest to the ledge bite,locals had me fishing 32 ft deep when I came as was told to fish the ledges,total bs hump that comes up 4-8 ft with deep water dropoff,fish the last ten ft prior to the edge and the dropoff but at the same depth s the hump or near it as they suspend over the edge,senko works ,fluke etc.,not something l;ike 1/2 oz jig that will go by them.

There are a few who fish jigs on actual drops,they bag big in spring seldom any other time.

Im disclosing it as not fishing the nationals,think I could win it from that hole myself but cant fish as dont have the tournaments in, dont however wish it to become common knowledge as do plan on cashing in on it future wise,so if you tell anyone where it is Ill find ya even in texas.

No not dumb,but most fish in this lake dont get the same book.

Here the ledge bite is king but come july that stops and any grass bite will beat it,from then to sometime in nov or even dec,depending upon how warm it gets in spells ive seen grass reboom 2nd week of dec one year and retop,for a week.And before you ask yes caught fish off it on a topwater frog.

When Steve and I fished the yellow creek openin sept,there were some top ledge fisherment there that weighed in over 24 lbs here at paris landing in june,they weighed in about 14 total.We weighed in tad over 17lb.

Regardless if it rains,howls,is smooth as silk or even snows they will be in that ft and a half of water,so wouldnt even worry and add another dimension if there as to how deep one can catch them,who cares when 6 lbers hit in 1 1/2 ft of water.You might HAVE TO VARY THE RETRIEVE OR EVEN KILL THE FROG EVERY NOW AND THEN BUT THEY ARE THERE

It is however a 40 mile run and conditions dont always fit the bill,but if I could get in there id have 14-15 pds a day three days running easily.With that at that time of year id be surprised if I didnt win it,or come close. My gues is about 42 lbs -47 that time of year.And with the top weights coming off the bank and grass.

Well so far as long as there are pads up they are in them and shallow,100 deg or 59 deg,only requirement is for them to be green and topped.Thats from april to oct here,I fished it when my friend came in about 3rd week of april they had topped chock full of gar and bass.Pror to that we had checked it out since some pads nearby had topped in march,they wernt up but yet we caught fish in it,me having the distinction of having a hook break(jig) on a monster what ever it was.

They do have certain areas they are hot in,and tend to migrate from one really good spot to another,yet one  in particular stood out,not only last year but my last trip down there.

And as long as they are green and up there is no problem getting a frog bite,it does however alternate from horney toad to a floater of some type at times,they wouldnt hit a horney toad in april for me yet did floaters,for that matter the buzzbait bite has been way off since spawn.

Swimming a worm in the holes or outer edge also works.even a spinnerbait to some degree or dbbb yet the toads or topwater bite is normally the best.

Ive never ever had to resort to fishing the deep water,might have to if I went in late dec,jan or feb

lilmule said:

Well the jag was the smoothest running boat ive ever had for rough water,it did take about 52 mph to top them out less yes bumpy,but between 52 and 62 was smooth.

The lil alley wants to go airborne in anything over 2 1/2 ft at over fifty plus yet will go in the 3 plus quite easily at less speed something the jag would not do,will run 43 to 46mph in 3 fters quite well.

Id love to still have the jag due to size and storage yet didnt have the denaro to fix it up,so made do with a smaller boat that will never ever rot as its composite with a steel reinforced transom,does lack storage,but fast and will go skinnier than the jag would.

That area with the pads is about 4 ft deep right now,come oct be about 2 ft and dropping every day,and its fishable with fish in it down to 1 1/2 ft easily.It is however a long run,and those nearby holes Steve knows quite well,and are quite good in the fall.Two points across from one another island cjhin farther up,island almost but slightly up on the lbl side as well with pondweed.Bridge,hole 7,and a whole string of ledges in the mouth of big sandy.Ledges are a misnomer most are humps and people fish the top near the edge not the actual ledge,but locals will argue with you all day long that a hump is surrounded by a ledge,doesnt matter if they aint fishing the dropoff theys a fishing a ledge.

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In the area with the lilly pads…. where do those fish go when they're not there. Isn't there deep(er) water leading in to this place that the fish pull out to? Just stands to reason that if the fish don't or can't stay shallow… they gotta go somewhere. And that somewhere can't be too far away 'cause it appears as soon as they can they return to the lilly pad area. I'd sho'nuff be checking out adjacent deep water with a c'rig, jig, jerkbait, fluke and crankbait

lilmule said:

Would pay to have an alternate plan,like holes nearby(3.4,7),boat should be cabale of running in 3 to 3 1/2 fters,slightly worse than what you had at pickwick last year,and its about a 42 mile run.

Boat should do it without beating you to death or forget it,my jag would but it lacked speed when more flat ,and this lil alley has speed yet I cant run it as fast in it,when that tall however it does run in it,ask Steve.

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Hopefully I'll have my 20' 9″ Gambler w/225 Pro XS when I come to Nationals. If it doesn't fall apart before then. "IF" it's holding together there's not a whole lot it can't tackle. That does not begin to imply it will be a soft, smooth ride – just that it's capable of tackling some pretty big water. It's got a 27″ Trophy on it right now but, depending on conditions, I may opt for a 26″ Fury or a 26″ Trophy simply because both would be a tad more responsive when tackling big water. You can believe this: if I can not get on top of the stuff n' run between 5000-5500 – getting beat to death is almost a certainty!

Theres nothing like the glory hole to brighten ones day,and from now on in will get better and better.